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Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.

Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
approach lighting you find.

Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?

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Bob Noel
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Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.

Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
approach lighting you find.

Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?


No, neither of those airports has precision lights and it's not likely
you'll find them at less than class C.

See the first page of Chapter 2 in the AIM.

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Jim Pennino

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Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.

Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
approach lighting you find.

Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?


No, neither of those airports has precision lights and it's not likely
you'll find them at less than class C.

See the first page of Chapter 2 in the AIM.



You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
lighting system?"

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Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.

Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
approach lighting you find.

Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?


No, neither of those airports has precision lights and it's not likely
you'll find them at less than class C.

See the first page of Chapter 2 in the AIM.



You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
lighting system?"

I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" or not.

I'm referring to ALSF-1 and ALSF-2 systems.

See the runway lighting info in airnav for KCON and KONT.

KONT has ALSF-2 with centerline sequenced flashers and a 4 light PAPI
on 26L and MALSR on 8L/26R.


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Doug Semler wrote:


You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
lighting system?"

I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" or not.

OK, in terms of that response:
Can a precision approach include a non precision lighting system? (And
no, I don't know myself, so I can't answer)

The orignal point was that KCON has a pilot controlled MALSR; the point made
in response to a request for non-towered precision approach lighting
systems. That's why I asked if you considered MALSR a precision approach
lighting system. If you don't, then the points are moot, but I would like
to know the answer to my last question...


I'm referring to ALSF-1 and ALSF-2 systems.

I think you should have said that in the first place, because obviously the
original response wrt the pilot controlled MALSR @ KCON assumed that MALSR
*is* precision lighting (with the sequenced flashers as well)


See the runway lighting info in airnav for KCON and KONT.

KONT has ALSF-2 with centerline sequenced flashers and a 4 light PAPI
on 26L and MALSR on 8L/26R.

I looked at both. None of KONT's lights are pilot controlled. KCON's MALSR
is (along with 17-35 HILR, 12-30 MILR), and nonpilot controlled VASI on 35
and PAPI on 17.

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Doug Semler, MCPD
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
The answer is 42; DNRC o-
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You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
lighting system?"

I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" or not.

OK, in terms of that response:
Can a precision approach include a non precision lighting system? (And
no, I don't know myself, so I can't answer)

The orignal point was that KCON has a pilot controlled MALSR; the point made
in response to a request for non-towered precision approach lighting
systems. That's why I asked if you considered MALSR a precision approach
lighting system. If you don't, then the points are moot, but I would like
to know the answer to my last question...

Like I said, I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" lighting
or not.

There is precision approache and precision lighting, and AIR, you can
have a precision approach without precision lighting.

I'm referring to ALSF-1 and ALSF-2 systems.

I think you should have said that in the first place, because obviously the
original response wrt the pilot controlled MALSR @ KCON assumed that MALSR
*is* precision lighting (with the sequenced flashers as well)

See the runway lighting info in airnav for KCON and KONT.

KONT has ALSF-2 with centerline sequenced flashers and a 4 light PAPI
on 26L and MALSR on 8L/26R.

I looked at both. None of KONT's lights are pilot controlled. KCON's MALSR
is (along with 17-35 HILR, 12-30 MILR), and nonpilot controlled VASI on 35
and PAPI on 17.

Since the KONT tower is open 24 hours, why would the lighting be pilot
controlled?

AFAIK, all ALSF sytems are run in -acronym I forgot- mode in good
weather as ALSF mode is really too bright.

In that mode, the lights look like Podunk Municipal.

Having the tower turn everything on while on approach is dramatic; that
was my point.

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Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
approach lighting you find.


HPB KSM HOM are three I know of off the top of my head. (HPB is an ODALS
though).