Vectors over water

I have put "No Overwater Routing" in the remarks section when departing
Chicago to Detroit and it worked. Chicago vectored me around the edge of
the lake and even asked how far overwater I wished to go.

Howard Neff


"paul kgyy" wrote in message
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Flying IFR in/around the Chicago Class B, it's not unusual to get
vectored out over Lake Michigan. I've always been a little nervous
about this but even more so after the recent PA28 downing off
Milwaukee. Flotation gear is no solution for probably 6 months of the
year because of water temperature.

Anybody else found a way to deal with this? I fly out of Gary, and
eastbound the vector is almost always 040, which puts me a fair
distance offshore.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

wrote in message ...

What's the difference with this and having a single lose an engine when
its 500 overcast and 1 mile, or something like that?


The difference is if there's land under that 500' overcast you have a chance
of survival.

With the proper water survival gear there is a chance of surving a ditching in
Lake Michigan, too. Perhaps the odds or even better than trying to avoid
houses, power lines, etc, etc.

Again, it's all about being prepared.

Light aircraft ferry pilots having to ditch over the North Atlantic have done
quite well in surviving. Then again, they had the right gear and really were
trained and qualified to survive a ocean ditching.

wrote in message ...

With the proper water survival gear there is a chance of surving a
ditching in
Lake Michigan, too. Perhaps the odds or even better than trying to avoid
houses, power lines, etc, etc.

Again, it's all about being prepared.


Yeah, but people don't tend to prepare for a ditching in Lake Michigan.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:13:02 -0700, wrote:

Again, it's all about being prepared.

Light aircraft ferry pilots having to ditch over the North Atlantic have done
quite well in surviving. Then again, they had the right gear and really were
trained and qualified to survive a ocean ditching.

Most of these pilots are WEARING their survival suit while flying the
plane across the Atlantic.

Nathan Young wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:13:02 -0700, wrote:

Again, it's all about being prepared.

Light aircraft ferry pilots having to ditch over the North Atlantic have done
quite well in surviving. Then again, they had the right gear and really were
trained and qualified to survive a ocean ditching.

Most of these pilots are WEARING their survival suit while flying the
plane across the Atlantic.

No doubt about it. There is a message that sort of leaps out, isn't there?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

wrote in message ...

With the proper water survival gear there is a chance of surving a
ditching in
Lake Michigan, too. Perhaps the odds or even better than trying to avoid
houses, power lines, etc, etc.

Again, it's all about being prepared.


Yeah, but people don't tend to prepare for a ditching in Lake Michigan.

No doubt about it. Nor are folks who fly single-engine IFR prepared to save it
as they become contact at 500 feet, agl, over suburban Green Bay, Wisconsin, or
the like.

wrote in message ...

No doubt about it. Nor are folks who fly single-engine IFR prepared to
save it
as they become contact at 500 feet, agl, over suburban Green Bay,
Wisconsin, or
the like.


What additional preflight preparations could they make for that situation?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

wrote in message ...

No doubt about it. Nor are folks who fly single-engine IFR prepared to
save it
as they become contact at 500 feet, agl, over suburban Green Bay,
Wisconsin, or
the like.


What additional preflight preparations could they make for that situation?

Two engines.

Nathan Young wrote:


Most of these pilots are WEARING their survival suit while flying the
plane across the Atlantic.

A survival suit is a body bag witha hole for your face :-)

In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:

Nathan Young wrote:


Most of these pilots are WEARING their survival suit while flying the
plane across the Atlantic.

A survival suit is a body bag witha hole for your face :-)

And no other holes, hence the nickname, "poopy-suit"