New theory of flight released Sept 2004

How about the force one one side ****ers the force (gravity) on the other.
Turning an airfoil upside down doesn't violate Bernoulli.
You just change teh angle of attack to componesate.

However, I wish it were new - wouldn't that be fun to discuss?
Imagine all of those smart wing and airfoil designers who would
feel stupid that they missed this all along!

I hear Nobel Prize! Better yet, Bluelight Special!

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Here I am, popping up as usual whenever lift is mentioned. Dudley's
saying right now, "Uh, oh, here we go again."


Actually, I'm finding this type of thing less and less worth the effort
it takes to post to it as time goes by. There might be others out here
that feel the same way as well....I don't know or even care any longer.
The Usenet experience in general has lost much of it's appeal for me ,
and the plain simple truth of it is that I just don't give much of a
damn any more. :-))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

How does this comport with the theory of lift gnomes? As everyone knows,
lift gnomes reside on the upper surface of the wing (which ever side is "up"
at the moment) and derive nourishment from exhaust gases. When throttle is
added, the gnomes get stronger and lift the airplane into the air...the
reverse is true when power is reduced. Which side of the airfoil is "up" is
immaterial.

Most maneuvers can be explained by the lift gnome theory.

Bob Gardner
"Mark Oliver" wrote in message
. ..
The current theory of flight is based upon the Bernoulli's Principal, the
pressure of a fluid (liquid or gas) decreases at points where the speed of
the fluid increases. The airfoil is designed to increase the velocity of
the airflow above its surface, thereby decreasing pressure above the
airfoil. Simultaneously, the impact of the air on the lower surface of the
airfoil increases the pressure below. This combination of pressure
decrease
above and increase below produces lift. Pressure is reduced due to the
smaller space the air has above the wing than below. Air cannot go through
the wing, so it must push around it. The surface air molecules push
between
the wing and outer layers of air. Due to the bump of the airfoil, the
space
is smaller and the molecules must go faster.

THIS HAS A MAJOR PROBLEM - specifically inverted flight. The current
theory
of flight utilizing the Bernoulli's Principal is only applicable to normal
level flight. However, we know and observe that inverted flight is
possible. Thus, the Bernoulli's Principal is no longer applicable to
inverted flight, so there must be another theory that supports flight, be
it
level or inverted.

The new theory of flight is based upon the new theory of Gravitational
Vector Force (released Sept 2004). Utilizing Newton's laws that equal
opposite force is generated at right angles, be it applied at once or
successively, and if the angle is oblique (slanted) a new force is
generated. Then inverted flight is possible as force is always generated
at
right angles, and this is towards the ground in all cases. The net
difference between the initial velocity and resistance force generated at
the leading edge at right angles (downwards) creates a new force called
Gravitational Vector Force, and it travels in the opposite direction
(upwards) to maintain balance, impacting the bottom of the wing. The wing
becomes less efficient in inverted flight due to the design of the
airfoil,
however it is still possible.

This new theory of flight also supports the following;
1) the new force manifests at a faster rate than initial velocity, hence
the
wing becomes more efficient at faster speeds
2) As you extend spoilers and flaps at the leading and trailing edges, the
bottom of the wing now becomes "cupped" like a satellite dish, and able to
capture more Gravitational Vector Force, creating more lift

You may read more about this new theory at www.threexd.com

Mark Oliver

Roger Long wrote:

The web
site for this theory does just as much of a dis-service to the aliens
(they aren't really aliens because they are actually right next to us and
have been her all along) as the popular lift explanations do to Bernoulli
and Newton.


Wait...are you suggesting that it's the aliens lifting our aircraft? That
would explain so much!

Why do *I* end up with the lazy alien, I'd like to know.

- Andrew

"Mark Oliver" wrote in message ...
The current theory of flight is based upon the Bernoulli's Principal, the
pressure of a fluid (liquid or gas) decreases at points where the speed of
the fluid increases. The airfoil is designed to increase the velocity of
the airflow above its surface, thereby decreasing pressure above the
airfoil. Simultaneously, the impact of the air on the lower surface of the
airfoil increases the pressure below. This combination of pressure decrease
above and increase below produces lift. Pressure is reduced due to the
smaller space the air has above the wing than below. Air cannot go through
the wing, so it must push around it. The surface air molecules push between
the wing and outer layers of air. Due to the bump of the airfoil, the space
is smaller and the molecules must go faster.

Hey, don't mess with the mechanics of flight. My airplane was built in
1966 and I don't want to have to buy a new one.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
How does this comport with the theory of lift gnomes? As everyone
knows, lift gnomes reside on the upper surface of the wing (which ever
side is "up" at the moment) and derive nourishment from exhaust gases.
When throttle is added, the gnomes get stronger and lift the airplane
into the air...the reverse is true when power is reduced. Which side
of the airfoil is "up" is immaterial.

Most maneuvers can be explained by the lift gnome theory.

Bob Gardner

In addition...............from a fine friend of mine in engineering at
NASA
"
The Emerging Science of Lift Demons
Abstract- Advanced formal study of Lift has become respectable as its
radical
tenets undergo controlled experimental confirmation. As in other
difficult
fields, theorists rely on gut intuition, finding beauty in simplicity,
in
formulating grant proposals.



Introduction to Lift Demons
Ariel: "...I come
To answer thy best pleasure; be't to fly,
To swim, to dive into the fire, to ride
On the curled clouds, to thy strong bidding task
Ariel and all his quality." [SHKSPR]Graham E. Laucht
posted the following helpful
overview of Lift-
[Discussion Thread] Discuss "the hump on top of the wing that produces
lift" ...
Definitely Lift Demons, they wait unseen near the downwind end of the
runway and
hop on for the ride dismounting again on landing ready for the next
plane.
That's why taking off from the other end (looking into the big end of
the
windsock) can be tricky.
It's also why air traffic control regulates arrivals and departures
especially
in areas where there is a lack of lift demons. Like at large
international
airports where the supply of them and baggage carts is limited.
They are very sensitive to poor pilotage and can easily fall off the
wing if a
pilot lifts the nose too much whilst going slowly. A slightly roughened
surfaces
helps them to stay on longer.
Originally discovered and bred in captivity by a certain Mr Bernoulli
which
accounts for why early attempts at manned flight were often so
unsuccessful.
Being air breathing creatures they are not found at very high altitudes,
they
don't like it much when the wings are icy or dirty which seems fair
enough.
Male demons outnumber females by approximately three to one and are
predominantly found on the mainwing topsides whilst the females, which
can only
push, are found on the underside of wings and tailplanes. The males find
it
fairly easy to "pull" the females due to the imbalance in numbers. A
favourite
area for congregating males is near the wing's hump where the view is
often
better. Known scientifically as humping. Humping can be controlled by
the pilot
by raising and lowering flags at the wing ends to signify the end he
would like
them to pull hardest. The female of the species being on the undersides
are
often kept in the dark especially about the cost impact of aviation.
Demons are
sexually very active and have it away near the wing tips. Demon spawn
can
sometimes be seen streaming off the tips in a conical cocoon.
Kitbuilders generally find enough in the box for the first flight,
however
builders of porkies might not have enough to fly properly.
Neutered Demons are called vacuum and are useful for keeping coffee
warm. An
excess of neutered demons can cause breathing difficulties and should
have a
government health warning attached.
Research into demon I.Q.s shows lift demons have no comprehension
whatsoever of
what a downwind turn is.



Real NASA Wonks Discuss Lift Demons in Drag; and Stalling.
Mary Shafer ) explains lift:
--the real, intuitively-obvious-even-to-the-lay-person explanation of
lift.
People, lift is caused by lift demons. These little, invisible demons
hold on to
the leading and trailing edges of the aircraft and lift it into the air
by
flapping their wings (so, in a reductionist sense, lift is actually
caused by
feathers). Some of the demons are a little confused and they hold on
backwards,
causing drag.
The reason that planes stall at high alpha is that the leading edge
demons get
scared and let go when they can't see the ground anymore.
Lift demons have good taste and don't like to look at ugly aircraft, so
they
hold on backwards on ugly planes. That's why gliders have so much lift
and so
little drag and why F-4s have lots of drag.
John Wolter ) asked: What I would like is a
simple
*intuitive* explanation of what causes lift on a lift demon's wing.
(Here we go
again... ;-) )
Mary Shafer ) replied: Feathers. The
multiple
filaments on feathers trap the air molecules and they struggle to
escape, which
causes the action-reaction that we call lift. Bat wings don't have
feathers but
they're hairy and that works just about as well (air molecules are a
little
claustrophobic).



Once too often bitten milking demons for research, Dave Santos
) kindly tackles annoying questions by lay-people.
Can Lift Demons be held securely?
Stupid question. The little monsters are trapped in bags, for balloon or
airship
use, but escape given any opportunity. Instead of captivity, winged
aircraft are
designed to entice the demons to visit. This is not easy since they
abandon
common aircraft on very weak pretexts. For example, lift demons enjoy
engine
roar and go elsewhere when this noise stops.
Birds are so lucky. They just waggle their wings to signal a desire to
fly and
the demons eagerly bear them aloft (Penguins, an exception, are
associated with
ice, which lift demons hate. See [Grahm] (above). Other flightless birds
are
overweight, a condition despised by lift demons (see [Grahm]
("porkies")), and
[Santos] (below)). Note that bird feathers are merely ornaments evolved
to
attract demons, whose own "feathers" are the true source of lift
[Shafer]
(above).
True enough, lift demons are held by cables or chain, as in elevators
and
hoists, and in pillars and walls, by applied weight, but such abuse
ruins them
for flight (ordinary stairs cage lift demons such that, conditions
permitting,
they are heard to groan underfoot).



How Do Lift Demons Get Away WithDefying Gravity?
Lift demons are the ******* offspring of "Gravity Wells", who tolerate
the
defiant demons without acknowledging them. The rest of us risk "falling"
afoul
of these vengeful G wells, except those who flee fast enough (popularly
usage:
Escape Velocity) and far enough to also defy Gravity (slang-
"weightlessness").
Lift demons try to drop anything heavy, out of deep resentment.



What about the Sound Barrier?
What about it? Dumbest question yet... Under proper conditions, lift
demons
penetrate either sound or unsound barriers.



Tibetan-
mkha' rgyu'i yi dwags - air-dwelling hungry ghost / preta, hungry ghost
living in the air
mkha' la rgyu ba'i yi dwags - the pretas living in the air. Coming
Soon: Lift Demons and the FAA.



DRAFT// Grant Proposal- Just 8 million dollars is requested for the
formal study
of Lift by field experiment, and over the Internet (from Tahiti!). With
jet
travel and modern communications, Tahiti is no longer a paradigm
obstacle. It is
anticipated that native lift demons, as explored with state-of-the-art
frizbees,
kites, hang-gliders, and yachts, will display a high Q factor.
Phase I (5 yr. min) will result in a completed Abstract of Phase II, a
proposal
for increased funding.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

Hartwig Flamm wrote:
Mark Oliver wrote:

The current theory of flight is based upon the Bernoulli's Principal, the

No it's not!
Do not stress old Bernoulli. His findings are restricted to the flowing
media only. You can use the _some_ of his laws to find the forces caused by
the air on the structure of the airplane.
In fact the "real" cause for an airplane to stay up is inertia and friction
of the air.


Gee, I always thought it was money and magic...

Is there any way we can introduce Dark Energy and Dark Matter into
this?

(*snorfle*)

Gee, I better start ground school again.

I always thought lift demons were actually pushing the Earth from underneath
the airplanes when you pointed the empennage downward. (Although it might be
still the case here in Canada. We are a weird bunch up here, anyways...)



"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
How does this comport with the theory of lift gnomes? As everyone knows,
lift gnomes reside on the upper surface of the wing (which ever side is
"up" at the moment) and derive nourishment from exhaust gases. When
throttle is added, the gnomes get stronger and lift the airplane into the
air...the reverse is true when power is reduced. Which side of the
airfoil is "up" is immaterial.

Most maneuvers can be explained by the lift gnome theory.

Bob Gardner

In addition...............from a fine friend of mine in engineering at
NASA
"
The Emerging Science of Lift Demons
Abstract- Advanced formal study of Lift has become respectable as its
radical
tenets undergo controlled experimental confirmation. As in other difficult
fields, theorists rely on gut intuition, finding beauty in simplicity, in
formulating grant proposals.



Introduction to Lift Demons
Ariel: "...I come
To answer thy best pleasure; be't to fly,
To swim, to dive into the fire, to ride
On the curled clouds, to thy strong bidding task
Ariel and all his quality." [SHKSPR]Graham E. Laucht
posted the following helpful
overview of Lift-
[Discussion Thread] Discuss "the hump on top of the wing that produces
lift" ...
Definitely Lift Demons, they wait unseen near the downwind end of the
runway and
hop on for the ride dismounting again on landing ready for the next plane.
That's why taking off from the other end (looking into the big end of the
windsock) can be tricky.
It's also why air traffic control regulates arrivals and departures
especially
in areas where there is a lack of lift demons. Like at large international
airports where the supply of them and baggage carts is limited.
They are very sensitive to poor pilotage and can easily fall off the wing
if a
pilot lifts the nose too much whilst going slowly. A slightly roughened
surfaces
helps them to stay on longer.
Originally discovered and bred in captivity by a certain Mr Bernoulli
which
accounts for why early attempts at manned flight were often so
unsuccessful.
Being air breathing creatures they are not found at very high altitudes,
they
don't like it much when the wings are icy or dirty which seems fair
enough.
Male demons outnumber females by approximately three to one and are
predominantly found on the mainwing topsides whilst the females, which can
only
push, are found on the underside of wings and tailplanes. The males find
it
fairly easy to "pull" the females due to the imbalance in numbers. A
favourite
area for congregating males is near the wing's hump where the view is
often
better. Known scientifically as humping. Humping can be controlled by the
pilot
by raising and lowering flags at the wing ends to signify the end he would
like
them to pull hardest. The female of the species being on the undersides
are
often kept in the dark especially about the cost impact of aviation.
Demons are
sexually very active and have it away near the wing tips. Demon spawn can
sometimes be seen streaming off the tips in a conical cocoon.
Kitbuilders generally find enough in the box for the first flight, however
builders of porkies might not have enough to fly properly.
Neutered Demons are called vacuum and are useful for keeping coffee warm.
An
excess of neutered demons can cause breathing difficulties and should have
a
government health warning attached.
Research into demon I.Q.s shows lift demons have no comprehension
whatsoever of
what a downwind turn is.



Real NASA Wonks Discuss Lift Demons in Drag; and Stalling.
Mary Shafer ) explains lift:
--the real, intuitively-obvious-even-to-the-lay-person explanation of
lift.
People, lift is caused by lift demons. These little, invisible demons hold
on to
the leading and trailing edges of the aircraft and lift it into the air by
flapping their wings (so, in a reductionist sense, lift is actually caused
by
feathers). Some of the demons are a little confused and they hold on
backwards,
causing drag.
The reason that planes stall at high alpha is that the leading edge demons
get
scared and let go when they can't see the ground anymore.
Lift demons have good taste and don't like to look at ugly aircraft, so
they
hold on backwards on ugly planes. That's why gliders have so much lift and
so
little drag and why F-4s have lots of drag.
John Wolter ) asked: What I would like is a
simple
*intuitive* explanation of what causes lift on a lift demon's wing. (Here
we go
again... ;-) )
Mary Shafer ) replied: Feathers. The multiple
filaments on feathers trap the air molecules and they struggle to escape,
which
causes the action-reaction that we call lift. Bat wings don't have
feathers but
they're hairy and that works just about as well (air molecules are a
little
claustrophobic).



Once too often bitten milking demons for research, Dave Santos
) kindly tackles annoying questions by lay-people.
Can Lift Demons be held securely?
Stupid question. The little monsters are trapped in bags, for balloon or
airship
use, but escape given any opportunity. Instead of captivity, winged
aircraft are
designed to entice the demons to visit. This is not easy since they
abandon
common aircraft on very weak pretexts. For example, lift demons enjoy
engine
roar and go elsewhere when this noise stops.
Birds are so lucky. They just waggle their wings to signal a desire to fly
and
the demons eagerly bear them aloft (Penguins, an exception, are associated
with
ice, which lift demons hate. See [Grahm] (above). Other flightless birds
are
overweight, a condition despised by lift demons (see [Grahm] ("porkies")),
and
[Santos] (below)). Note that bird feathers are merely ornaments evolved to
attract demons, whose own "feathers" are the true source of lift [Shafer]
(above).
True enough, lift demons are held by cables or chain, as in elevators and
hoists, and in pillars and walls, by applied weight, but such abuse ruins
them
for flight (ordinary stairs cage lift demons such that, conditions
permitting,
they are heard to groan underfoot).



How Do Lift Demons Get Away WithDefying Gravity?
Lift demons are the ******* offspring of "Gravity Wells", who tolerate the
defiant demons without acknowledging them. The rest of us risk "falling"
afoul
of these vengeful G wells, except those who flee fast enough (popularly
usage:
Escape Velocity) and far enough to also defy Gravity (slang-
"weightlessness").
Lift demons try to drop anything heavy, out of deep resentment.



What about the Sound Barrier?
What about it? Dumbest question yet... Under proper conditions, lift
demons
penetrate either sound or unsound barriers.



Tibetan-
mkha' rgyu'i yi dwags - air-dwelling hungry ghost / preta, hungry ghost
living in the air
mkha' la rgyu ba'i yi dwags - the pretas living in the air. Coming
Soon: Lift Demons and the FAA.



DRAFT// Grant Proposal- Just 8 million dollars is requested for the formal
study
of Lift by field experiment, and over the Internet (from Tahiti!). With
jet
travel and modern communications, Tahiti is no longer a paradigm obstacle.
It is
anticipated that native lift demons, as explored with state-of-the-art
frizbees,
kites, hang-gliders, and yachts, will display a high Q factor.
Phase I (5 yr. min) will result in a completed Abstract of Phase II, a
proposal
for increased funding.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

"Mark Oliver" wrote in message ...
The current theory of flight is based upon the Bernoulli's Principal, the
pressure of a fluid (liquid or gas) decreases at points where the speed of
the fluid increases. The airfoil is designed to increase the velocity of
the airflow above its surface, thereby decreasing pressure above the
airfoil. Simultaneously, the impact of the air on the lower surface of the
airfoil increases the pressure below. This combination of pressure decrease
above and increase below produces lift. Pressure is reduced due to the
smaller space the air has above the wing than below. Air cannot go through
the wing, so it must push around it. The surface air molecules push between
the wing and outer layers of air. Due to the bump of the airfoil, the space
is smaller and the molecules must go faster.


THIS HAS A MAJOR PROBLEM - specifically inverted flight. The current theory
of flight utilizing the Bernoulli's Principal is only applicable to normal
level flight. However, we know and observe that inverted flight is
possible. Thus, the Bernoulli's Principal is no longer applicable to
inverted flight, so there must be another theory that supports flight, be it
level or inverted.


The new theory of flight is based upon the new theory of Gravitational
Vector Force (released Sept 2004). Utilizing Newton's laws that equal
opposite force is generated at right angles, be it applied at once or
successively, and if the angle is oblique (slanted) a new force is
generated. Then inverted flight is possible as force is always generated at
right angles, and this is towards the ground in all cases. The net
difference between the initial velocity and resistance force generated at
the leading edge at right angles (downwards) creates a new force called
Gravitational Vector Force, and it travels in the opposite direction
(upwards) to maintain balance, impacting the bottom of the wing. The wing
becomes less efficient in inverted flight due to the design of the airfoil,
however it is still possible.

This new theory of flight also supports the following;
1) the new force manifests at a faster rate than initial velocity, hence the
wing becomes more efficient at faster speeds
2) As you extend spoilers and flaps at the leading and trailing edges, the
bottom of the wing now becomes "cupped" like a satellite dish, and able to
capture more Gravitational Vector Force, creating more lift

You may read more about this new theory at www.threexd.com

I'll probably skip reading it, thanks. Ah, where to start?

One observation.: If "cupping like a satellite dish" helps to increase
the gravitational vector force, then why don't you build an airplane
with a satellite dish shape instead of wings and see if it flies?
Might be a good test for you... I'll stand well clear on the ground
if you please. I don't think you'll get above the runway, but I want
to avoid being near a ground accident.

Bernoulli's theory is an expression of constant energy. The air
stream has pressure and velocity, if the velocity increases, the
pressure decreases unless you do something to add energy to the
airstream. Note that the increased pressure on the bottom of the wing
is less contributory than the decreased pressure on top, unless you're
at a high angle of attack.

Bernoulli is one way to describe what happens to the air passing over
and below a wing. For a more complete description see an aeronautical
textbook. I like "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators", available from
ASA and other providers. Also the online book "See How It Flies" has
a good description at http://www.av8n.com/how/.

Basically, the wing works by pushing down a large volume of air. The
equal and opposite reaction pushes the plane up. That's the simple
version and to my own mind a much better and less confusing starting
place than Bernoulli.

And, I probably wasted my time replying to this in any case.

-Malcolm Teas

I know what you mean. I spend a lot more time over in the Cessna Pilot's
Association forums now. They have a bouncer to keep the riff raff and the
low wingers out / (twins are OK).

When I scan the messages now, I mostly look for the names first.

--

Roger Long



"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Here I am, popping up as usual whenever lift is mentioned. Dudley's
saying right now, "Uh, oh, here we go again."


Actually, I'm finding this type of thing less and less worth the effort it
takes to post to it as time goes by. There might be others out here that
feel the same way as well....I don't know or even care any longer.
The Usenet experience in general has lost much of it's appeal for me , and
the plain simple truth of it is that I just don't give much of a damn any
more. :-))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired