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LX Mini Map
On 10/30/2010 10:33 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA stream by the vario. Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising. Folks designing this stuff are thinking (although with the small niggle I'd still like to see less separate interface boards/cables). If anybody has one and does not want it I'll give it a good home. Richard had a meter there, it was not drawing as much as 0.4A but I don't recall the exact number. Maybe he can reply with the number (with different display brightesses). Darryl |
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LX Mini Map
On 10/31/2010 9:03 AM, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 10/30/2010 10:33 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA stream by the vario. Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising. The vario is described he http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario. |
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LX Mini Map
Am 31.10.2010 17:34, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 10/31/2010 9:03 AM, Greg Arnold wrote: On 10/30/2010 10:33 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA stream by the vario. Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising. The vario is described he http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario. To my understanding this is only the dislay unit that you can hook up to various LX devices, e.g. LX7007, LX8000, LX1606, LX Mini Map. It replaces the earlier LCD or analog Display Units. The LX Mini Map seems to get only GPS Data, no static/pivot data. If you hook it up to a more advanced LX computer, you'll get the full range of vario data. -- Peter Scholz ASW24 JE |
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LX Mini Map
On Oct 31, 9:34*am, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 10/31/2010 9:03 AM, Greg Arnold wrote: On 10/30/2010 10:33 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA stream by the vario. Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising. The vario is described he http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. *However, judging from the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario. Greg Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes TAS data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box -- something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then appear a much more serious option to the C302). The USB-D mechanical needle and LCD display is beautiful and easy to configure what is shown etc. from SeeYou Mobile (and other vario settings). USB-D is not a great name choice lost somewhere between USB and ADS-B. Darryl |
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LX Mini Map
On 10/31/2010 10:08 AM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes TAS data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box -- something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then appear a much more serious option to the C302). Maybe this will be a good alternative to the NK vario, which at this point appears to be vaporware. |
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LX Mini Map
On Oct 31, 11:12*am, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 10/31/2010 10:08 AM, Darryl Ramm wrote: Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes *TAS data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box -- something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then appear a much more serious option to the C302). Maybe this will be a good alternative to the NK vario, which at this point appears to be vaporware. One of my concerns (besides the lack of information from NK) is the NK vario will be no interst to me, and I suspect many other piltos with fairly well equipepd panels if the vario either does not have an internal GPS which outputs TAS in the NMEA stream or feed through a NMEA stream. This includes all extra sentences like from a Flarm/ PowerFLARM and adding the TAS etc. data to it and do all that in a way that is compatible with popular soaring software (i.e. for a start emulate a C302 TAS and other NMEA extensions). If the vario includes an internal GPS then it also needs to be a certified IGC flight recorder. The team working on the NK vario should be capable of capable of doing something amazing, I hope they are. Darryl |
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LX Mini Map
On 10/31/2010 11:40 AM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
One of my concerns (besides the lack of information from NK) is the NK vario will be no interst to me, and I suspect many other piltos with fairly well equipepd panels if the vario either does not have an internal GPS which outputs TAS in the NMEA stream or feed through a NMEA stream. This includes all extra sentences like from a Flarm/ PowerFLARM and adding the TAS etc. data to it and do all that in a way that is compatible with popular soaring software (i.e. for a start emulate a C302 TAS and other NMEA extensions). I guess this depends on whether they intend the vario only as a supplement to the ClearNav, or whether they intend it to work also with other systems. If the former, they would really be limiting its market. I have an "antique" B50 vario, and it has no problem taking the GPS stream from my logger, adding TAS, and sending that to CU Mobile. I am hoping that the NK vario (as well as the LX vario that goes with the Mini-Map) will also do this. |
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On Oct 31, 11:59*am, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 10/31/2010 11:40 AM, Darryl Ramm wrote: One of my concerns (besides the lack of information from NK) is the NK vario will be no interst to me, and I suspect many other piltos with fairly well equipepd panels if the vario either does not have an internal GPS which outputs TAS in the NMEA stream or feed through a NMEA stream. This includes all extra sentences like from a Flarm/ PowerFLARM and adding the TAS etc. data to it and do all that in a way that is compatible with popular soaring software (i.e. for a start emulate a C302 TAS and other NMEA extensions). I guess this depends on whether they intend the vario only as a supplement to the ClearNav, or whether they intend it to work also with other systems. *If the former, they would really be limiting its market.. I have an "antique" B50 vario, and it has no problem taking the GPS stream from my logger, adding TAS, and sending that to CU Mobile. *I am hoping that the NK vario (as well as the LX vario that goes with the Mini-Map) will also do this. Greg and All I spent 2 weeks in Slovenia in September with LX navigation & LXNAV training to be a US Service Center and a US Autorized Dealer for both companies. Both the MiniMap and LX1606 Vario information are on my website. Manuals etc. Both come with the New Vario, Either can accept data streams from a variety of GPS devices from PowerFlarm to a Garmin, http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm The Vario component is the same for both systems and accepts Pitot, Static and TE. Temp probes are no longer required as the pressure sensors are internally compensated. TAS data is in the nmea stream, buad rate 38300 is perferred. The LXNAV LX8000 and LX9000 also use this Vario component. I showed both devices at the PASCO conference this weekend. Please call if you have questions. Richard www.craggyaero.com |
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LX Mini Map
I spent 2 weeks in Slovenia in September with LX navigation& LXNAV training to be a US Service Center and a US Autorized Dealer for both companies. Both the MiniMap and LX1606 Vario information are on my website. Manuals etc. Both come with the New Vario, Either can accept data streams from a variety of GPS devices from PowerFlarm to a Garmin, http://www.craggyaero.com/lx_navigation1.htm The Vario component is the same for both systems and accepts Pitot, Static and TE. Temp probes are no longer required as the pressure sensors are internally compensated. TAS data is in the nmea stream, buad rate 38300 is perferred. The LXNAV LX8000 and LX9000 also use this Vario component. I showed both devices at the PASCO conference this weekend. Please call if you have questions. Richard www.craggyaero.com I believe the vario he http://www.craggyaero.com/User%20Gui...%20V%200_8.pdf is the same as the one that goes with the Mini-Map (except it doesn't have the newer dial). So the picture on page 4 shows the back of the Mini-Map vario, with connections for TE, pitot, and static. |
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LX Mini Map
I have the new LX16D Vario here, this is the Vario used with the Mini Map is
much like the LX16 vario..in that it is a complete variometer with pneumatic input for TE (pressure transducer type TE compensation) it is not a supplied with any Pitot input so speed calcualtaions woul;d all be based on GPS position through the LX Mini Map. tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com "Darryl Ramm" wrote in message ... On Oct 31, 9:34 am, Greg Arnold wrote: On 10/31/2010 9:03 AM, Greg Arnold wrote: On 10/30/2010 10:33 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote: At the same event we walked out side with the MiniMap and in slightly overcast but pretty bright sunlight I thought the display was very readable with both background terrain on and off. Clearly much better outside than the Oudie (as expected). This is the display I now want given that it is the largest I could see cramming into a tight panel and runs SeeYou. And I liked the ability to drive the miniMap/Vario combination with a PowerFLARM and have the air-data added to the NMEA stream by the vario. Are you saying that you can hook up the pitot and static lines to the back of the vario? If so, this product is very promising. The vario is described he http://wingsandwheels.com/pdf/USB-D.pdf but it doesn't say whether this is just a basic vario, or also one that takes pitot and static and calculates airspeed. However, judging from the depth of the unit, it must be more than just a basic vario. Greg Richard was showing that The USB-D vario connected to the Minimap (you should have driven up for the PASCO meeting). And I asked that question (twice I think :-)) and he said the USB-D box passes TAS data to SeeYou. The data sheets don't show all the details, I wish they would show the rear panels more. I've also not understood this from what I'd read online so far. And again if I understand it right this really make this look like a nice "air data computer" box -- something LX might want to explain more clearly (they would then appear a much more serious option to the C302). The USB-D mechanical needle and LCD display is beautiful and easy to configure what is shown etc. from SeeYou Mobile (and other vario settings). USB-D is not a great name choice lost somewhere between USB and ADS-B. Darryl __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5576 (20101029) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5576 (20101029) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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