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"Dave Butler" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: Thats alot more then I was quoted from my avionics shop, they said 500$ and they updated the software. According to Garmin updating my dual GNS 430s for WAAS will cost $1500 per unit. They have to be removed and shipped to the factory. Correct. Check this press release from Garmin: http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/060403.html The summary: TAWS - $500 WAAS - $1500 |
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ouch....so 1500$ for the upgrade and xxx to have an avionics person
remove it and send it in. WAAS isnt that important to me, the terrain data base would be nice to have tho. Dave Butler wrote: Jeff wrote: Thats alot more then I was quoted from my avionics shop, they said 500$ and they updated the software. ArtP wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:18:38 -0700, Jeff wrote: Right now I am considering it for my new plane, WAAS is not something I need, but from what I understand from talking to my avionics shop, all that is needed when the WAAS updates come out is for you to take it to the shop and they will update the software in it. No big deal, only takes a few minutes. I dont see sales going down on the 430 or 530, they are really good systems especially now since you can get the terrain data base for it. According to Garmin updating my dual GNS 430s for WAAS will cost $1500 per unit. They have to be removed and shipped to the factory. Correct. Check this press release from Garmin: http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/060403.html Dave Remove SHIRT to reply directly. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... "Dave Butler" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: Thats alot more then I was quoted from my avionics shop, they said 500$ and they updated the software. According to Garmin updating my dual GNS 430s for WAAS will cost $1500 per unit. They have to be removed and shipped to the factory. Correct. Check this press release from Garmin: http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/060403.html The summary: TAWS - $500 WAAS - $1500 No. "Terrain" (not TAWS) is $500 TAWS is $6250 Mike MU-2 |
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"Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message ... The 430/530 do not meet the WAAS TSO (146a, I believe). They were designed long before this TSO went final. Garmin always said the 430/530 would be "upgradeable", but I think the final TSO caught them by surprise. You WILL need a hardware upgrade in the boxes to provide the 1 Hz refresh rate required by the TSO. Garmin reps at OSH this year stated the upgrade should be available early next year, but based upon Garmin's typical schedule challenges, it will probably be more like late 04 before they can provide good turn-around, and that's assuming they don't find any "issues" with the hardware upgrade... There will be a significant software upgrade as well. Seeing as there are only a handfull of LNAV/VNAV approaches published, I don't see the hurry in finding the que. I will wait a bit until the hardware upgrade is on the street for a couple months and any inevitable problems are worked out... In the meantime, were I to buy right now, I would probably go for the CNX80, but I would be concerned that Garmin has just bought UPSAT and future product support. The "gist" I got from the Garmin reps at OSH was their entire engineering staff is focused on rolling out the high dollar G-1000, and everything else is taking a back seat at the moment. Kind of disappointing, since I was hoping they would come out with an interface for the 530 with WxWorx instead of that pathetic EchoFlight... Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Mike MU-2 |
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I believe it was GM. It was reported back in June. Garmin's stock took a hit
after the announcement, since the auto sector represents the greatest revenue growth potential for GPS equipment makers... Aviation, as we all know, is a very small, niche market compared to the auto sector. "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message ... The 430/530 do not meet the WAAS TSO (146a, I believe). They were designed long before this TSO went final. Garmin always said the 430/530 would be "upgradeable", but I think the final TSO caught them by surprise. You WILL need a hardware upgrade in the boxes to provide the 1 Hz refresh rate required by the TSO. Garmin reps at OSH this year stated the upgrade should be available early next year, but based upon Garmin's typical schedule challenges, it will probably be more like late 04 before they can provide good turn-around, and that's assuming they don't find any "issues" with the hardware upgrade... There will be a significant software upgrade as well. Seeing as there are only a handfull of LNAV/VNAV approaches published, I don't see the hurry in finding the que. I will wait a bit until the hardware upgrade is on the street for a couple months and any inevitable problems are worked out... In the meantime, were I to buy right now, I would probably go for the CNX80, but I would be concerned that Garmin has just bought UPSAT and future product support. The "gist" I got from the Garmin reps at OSH was their entire engineering staff is focused on rolling out the high dollar G-1000, and everything else is taking a back seat at the moment. Kind of disappointing, since I was hoping they would come out with an interface for the 530 with WxWorx instead of that pathetic EchoFlight... Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Mike MU-2 |
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"Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message news I believe it was GM. It was reported back in June. Garmin's stock took a hit after the announcement, since the auto sector represents the greatest revenue growth potential for GPS equipment makers... Aviation, as we all know, is a very small, niche market compared to the auto sector. [snip] Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Does anyone know who did get the contract? |
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Actually what you are referring to is Chrysler and Garmin did not lose the
business.. The system bought by Chrysler from Alpine was at a higher price (~$1600) point than the one being developed by Garmin for Chrysler. The stock was ready to take a hit, having run from $20 to $50 with no real pullbacks. Automotive is indeed going to be the largest market but the margins are going to be the lowest. Mike MU-2 "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message news I believe it was GM. It was reported back in June. Garmin's stock took a hit after the announcement, since the auto sector represents the greatest revenue growth potential for GPS equipment makers... Aviation, as we all know, is a very small, niche market compared to the auto sector. "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message ... The 430/530 do not meet the WAAS TSO (146a, I believe). They were designed long before this TSO went final. Garmin always said the 430/530 would be "upgradeable", but I think the final TSO caught them by surprise. You WILL need a hardware upgrade in the boxes to provide the 1 Hz refresh rate required by the TSO. Garmin reps at OSH this year stated the upgrade should be available early next year, but based upon Garmin's typical schedule challenges, it will probably be more like late 04 before they can provide good turn-around, and that's assuming they don't find any "issues" with the hardware upgrade... There will be a significant software upgrade as well. Seeing as there are only a handfull of LNAV/VNAV approaches published, I don't see the hurry in finding the que. I will wait a bit until the hardware upgrade is on the street for a couple months and any inevitable problems are worked out... In the meantime, were I to buy right now, I would probably go for the CNX80, but I would be concerned that Garmin has just bought UPSAT and future product support. The "gist" I got from the Garmin reps at OSH was their entire engineering staff is focused on rolling out the high dollar G-1000, and everything else is taking a back seat at the moment. Kind of disappointing, since I was hoping they would come out with an interface for the 530 with WxWorx instead of that pathetic EchoFlight... Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Mike MU-2 |
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Alpine got some Chrysler business but it was for a different product that
what Garmin was working on. Mike MU-2 "Tom S." wrote in message ... "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message news I believe it was GM. It was reported back in June. Garmin's stock took a hit after the announcement, since the auto sector represents the greatest revenue growth potential for GPS equipment makers... Aviation, as we all know, is a very small, niche market compared to the auto sector. [snip] Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Does anyone know who did get the contract? |
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I don't think so, but I will obviously have to do some research. Alpine been
designing Mopar products for a while. The Mopar RB1 (an awesome GPS head unit that is Sirius Sat ready...) was shipping back in May, and it is an Alpine based product... I own Garmin products, but I also know they are vicious in protecting their pricing and controlling distribution (which is why I am still suspect of their UPSAT purchase.) You are correct, that autos represent the biggest market and lowest margins, but the most successful technologies are the ones that can generate high volume sales (witness Wi-Fi or the old VHS over Beta...) GPS did not become ubiquitous until "cheap" solutions came to market. Garmin also incorporated in the Cayman's as a tax haven. Perfectly legal, but considering the bulk of their operations are in the US, a tad on the sleazy side for my taste. Aerospace is a great market for Garmin, because it is niche. The 35 "mouse" was way overpriced for many years until others came to the market, they really milked that one... Don't get me wrong, the 430/530 are still amazing for what they do. I am just concerned that they overpromised continued support of these products. When making my UPSAT vs Garmin decision a few years back, my discussions with Garmin engineers "suggested" Garmin had a software solution for a WAAS upgrade. Now we know it is a major hardware upgrade, and really don't know when it will be ready (or if it will ever pass the TSO...) I know from discussing from individuals working in engineering that most of their resources and talent are pushing the G1000. Upgrading the 430/530 may be on the back burner for a while since they have bet their aerospace future on the G1000 (and spending a lot of coin to get it out the door.) "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message . net... Actually what you are referring to is Chrysler and Garmin did not lose the business.. The system bought by Chrysler from Alpine was at a higher price (~$1600) point than the one being developed by Garmin for Chrysler. The stock was ready to take a hit, having run from $20 to $50 with no real pullbacks. Automotive is indeed going to be the largest market but the margins are going to be the lowest. Mike MU-2 "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message news I believe it was GM. It was reported back in June. Garmin's stock took a hit after the announcement, since the auto sector represents the greatest revenue growth potential for GPS equipment makers... Aviation, as we all know, is a very small, niche market compared to the auto sector. "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message ... The 430/530 do not meet the WAAS TSO (146a, I believe). They were designed long before this TSO went final. Garmin always said the 430/530 would be "upgradeable", but I think the final TSO caught them by surprise. You WILL need a hardware upgrade in the boxes to provide the 1 Hz refresh rate required by the TSO. Garmin reps at OSH this year stated the upgrade should be available early next year, but based upon Garmin's typical schedule challenges, it will probably be more like late 04 before they can provide good turn-around, and that's assuming they don't find any "issues" with the hardware upgrade... There will be a significant software upgrade as well. Seeing as there are only a handfull of LNAV/VNAV approaches published, I don't see the hurry in finding the que. I will wait a bit until the hardware upgrade is on the street for a couple months and any inevitable problems are worked out... In the meantime, were I to buy right now, I would probably go for the CNX80, but I would be concerned that Garmin has just bought UPSAT and future product support. The "gist" I got from the Garmin reps at OSH was their entire engineering staff is focused on rolling out the high dollar G-1000, and everything else is taking a back seat at the moment. Kind of disappointing, since I was hoping they would come out with an interface for the 530 with WxWorx instead of that pathetic EchoFlight... Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Mike MU-2 |
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"Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message ... I own Garmin products, but I also know they are vicious in protecting their pricing and controlling distribution (which is why I am still suspect of their UPSAT purchase.) You are correct, that autos represent the biggest market and lowest margins, but the most successful technologies are the ones that can generate high volume sales (witness Wi-Fi or the old VHS over Beta...) GPS did not become ubiquitous until "cheap" solutions came to market. Garmin also incorporated in the Cayman's as a tax haven. Perfectly legal, but considering the bulk of their operations are in the US, a tad on the sleazy side for my taste. Aerospace is a great market for Garmin, because it is niche. The 35 "mouse" was way overpriced for many years until others came to the market, they really milked that one... Garmin is more of a Taiwanese company than a US one. Don't get me wrong, the 430/530 are still amazing for what they do. I am just concerned that they overpromised continued support of these products. When making my UPSAT vs Garmin decision a few years back, my discussions with Garmin engineers "suggested" Garmin had a software solution for a WAAS upgrade. Now we know it is a major hardware upgrade, and really don't know when it will be ready (or if it will ever pass the TSO...) I know from discussing from individuals working in engineering that most of their resources and talent are pushing the G1000. Upgrading the 430/530 may be on the back burner for a while since they have bet their aerospace future on the G1000 (and spending a lot of coin to get it out the door.) When Garmin "suggested" that they would have a software WAAS upgrade path for the 430/530, the TSO was not availible. When the FAA issued the TSO, it required 5 updates per second and that was beyond what the processor on the 430/530 could do. Their was no way to see this coming and Garmin certainly hasn't had any problem integrating WAAS into their non-IFR-certified products. You seem to be inferring that not having WAAS for the 430/530 today is an issue and that Garmin should pull out all the stops to get WAAS into the 430/530. I disagree. There is no functional advantage to having a 146 box today. Mike MU-2 "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message . net... Actually what you are referring to is Chrysler and Garmin did not lose the business.. The system bought by Chrysler from Alpine was at a higher price (~$1600) point than the one being developed by Garmin for Chrysler. The stock was ready to take a hit, having run from $20 to $50 with no real pullbacks. Automotive is indeed going to be the largest market but the margins are going to be the lowest. Mike MU-2 "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message news I believe it was GM. It was reported back in June. Garmin's stock took a hit after the announcement, since the auto sector represents the greatest revenue growth potential for GPS equipment makers... Aviation, as we all know, is a very small, niche market compared to the auto sector. "Mike Rapoport" wrote in message link.net... "Mark T. Mueller" wrote in message ... The 430/530 do not meet the WAAS TSO (146a, I believe). They were designed long before this TSO went final. Garmin always said the 430/530 would be "upgradeable", but I think the final TSO caught them by surprise. You WILL need a hardware upgrade in the boxes to provide the 1 Hz refresh rate required by the TSO. Garmin reps at OSH this year stated the upgrade should be available early next year, but based upon Garmin's typical schedule challenges, it will probably be more like late 04 before they can provide good turn-around, and that's assuming they don't find any "issues" with the hardware upgrade... There will be a significant software upgrade as well. Seeing as there are only a handfull of LNAV/VNAV approaches published, I don't see the hurry in finding the que. I will wait a bit until the hardware upgrade is on the street for a couple months and any inevitable problems are worked out... In the meantime, were I to buy right now, I would probably go for the CNX80, but I would be concerned that Garmin has just bought UPSAT and future product support. The "gist" I got from the Garmin reps at OSH was their entire engineering staff is focused on rolling out the high dollar G-1000, and everything else is taking a back seat at the moment. Kind of disappointing, since I was hoping they would come out with an interface for the 530 with WxWorx instead of that pathetic EchoFlight... Garmin lost a major auto contract recently because of their high pricing structure. Don't know how that's going to effect their business model, but I hope they refocus on their core aviation market. I'm waiting. DB What auto maker was that? Mike MU-2 |
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