SeeYou team code

At 13:50 04 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:15=A0am, J A wrote:
Can anyone answer the original question? =A0Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work? =A0I was actually curious...
And how does it actually work, as in how does it communicate from one
device to the other. =A0People have alluded to it transmitting over
the
radio, do both gliders also need to be on the same radio freq.? etc.
etc.

thanks,
Jim

At 20:56 01 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:

Flying this weekend in a new area it was difficult to keep track of
where each other was, thought about using the team location feature
in
SYM. I've copied the details on how it works below. Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work?

Brian

6.17 =A0 =A0Team
The Team feature in SeeYou Mobile will help you find or hide your
teammate. It lets you share your
position with other pilots and even encrypt this information so that
your competitors won't be able to
decode it.
To use it:
.. Enable the "Team Position Code (Team)" Navbox in Menu Next
Navboxes =A0 =A0 . Or use Menu
Next Team from the main menu.
.. Go to the map view and tap on the Team navbox.
.. Team dialog opens. You need to press Setup before first use.
.. Press Select to select a source waypoint for the calculation. It
is
imperative that your teammate does
the same.
.. If you would like to hide the information from others, enter the
Encryption key. Again, both or all
pilots have to share the same key.
Go fly. When asked about your position, answer "One-Kilo-Bravo-
Yankee". Your teammate will tap the
Team navbox, enter the code and say "Thanks" while others won't
have
a
clue unless they have the
key

I started this thread and don't entirely understand the feature yet,
I'll try it this weekend. But one thing I do understand is that this
is not a dynamic feature (it does not update the position) and it is
not device to device. It just gives you a 4 or 5 letter code, which
you transmit by radio to other pilots. They enter the code into
SeeYou, (or winpilot or xcsoar, I understand they all have this
feature) and your location is displayed, I think as a waypoint. After
entering the code you have an option to press a GOTO button which in
my setup would display distance and bearing to a glider pilot who had
just sent me his/her code. It would continue to display that
information long after the other glider had moved on.

So,if the other pilot sent you their code while in a strong thermal
you would have a waypoint set to that thermal and know where they were
at that moment.

I understand that you both need to be on the same software, it seems
that they use different ways to generate the code. But I am still
figuring this out.

Brian


With SeeYou Mobile, each of the team set [the same] turnpoint (or random
lat/long) (Menu Next Team Setup ) . Use 'NavBoxes' to display an
extra box on the screen containing a coded pseudo tp reference.
Give this code (your current location, referenced from the tp you used) to
the person trying to find you and they can then navigate to the position of
the pseudo tp, if they have also setup their Team tp identically.
You can confuse the opposition some more by adding a codeword (when
setting up the tp in each of your SYMs).

On Sep 4, 11:45*am, Peter Wyld wrote:
At 13:50 04 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:





On Sep 4, 6:15=A0am, J A *wrote:
Can anyone answer the original question? =A0Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work? =A0I was actually curious...
And how does it actually work, as in how does it communicate from one
device to the other. =A0People have alluded to it transmitting over
the
radio, do both gliders also need to be on the same radio freq.? etc.
etc.

thanks,
Jim

At 20:56 01 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:

Flying this weekend in a new area it was difficult to keep track of
where each other was, thought about using the team location feature
in
SYM. I've copied the details on how it works below. Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work?

Brian

6.17 =A0 =A0Team
The Team feature in SeeYou Mobile will help you find or hide your
teammate. It lets you share your
position with other pilots and even encrypt this information so that
your competitors won't be able to
decode it.
To use it:
.. Enable the "Team Position Code (Team)" Navbox in Menu Next
Navboxes =A0 =A0 . Or use Menu
Next Team from the main menu.
.. Go to the map view and tap on the Team navbox.
.. Team dialog opens. You need to press Setup before first use.
.. Press Select to select a source waypoint for the calculation. It
is
imperative that your teammate does
the same.
.. If you would like to hide the information from others, enter the
Encryption key. Again, both or all
pilots have to share the same key.
Go fly. When asked about your position, answer "One-Kilo-Bravo-
Yankee". Your teammate will tap the
Team navbox, enter the code and say "Thanks" while others won't
have
a
clue unless they have the
key

I started this thread and don't entirely understand the feature yet,
I'll try it this weekend. But one thing I do understand is that this
is not a dynamic feature (it does not update the position) and it is
not device to device. It just gives you a 4 or 5 letter code, which
you transmit by radio to other pilots. They enter the code into
SeeYou, (or winpilot or xcsoar, I understand they all have this
feature) and your location is displayed, I think as a waypoint. After
entering the code you have an option to press a GOTO button which in
my setup would display distance and bearing to a glider pilot who had
just sent me his/her code. It would continue to display that
information long after the other glider had moved on.

So,if *the other pilot sent you their code while in a strong thermal
you would have a waypoint set to that thermal and know where they were
at that moment.

I understand that you both need to be on the same software, it seems
that they use different ways to generate the code. But I am still
figuring this out.

Brian

With SeeYou Mobile, each of the team set [the same] turnpoint (or random
lat/long) (Menu Next * Team Setup ) . *Use 'NavBoxes' to display an
extra box on the screen containing a coded pseudo tp reference.
Give this code (your current location, referenced from the tp you used) to
the person trying to find you and they can then navigate to the position of
the pseudo tp, if they have also setup their Team tp identically.
You can confuse the opposition some more by adding a codeword (when
setting up the tp in each of your SYMs).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I believe this feature displays positions from a feed from a FLARM
collision avoidance device not available in North America. No FLARM,
no data, no picture of your team-mates.

DD

At 20:16 04 September 2009, Dan wrote:
On Sep 4, 11:45=A0am, Peter Wyld wrote:
At 13:50 04 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:





On Sep 4, 6:15=3DA0am, J A =A0wrote:
Can anyone answer the original question? =3DA0Has anyone tried
this feature and how did it work? =3DA0I was actually curious...
And how does it actually work, as in how does it communicate from
one
device to the other. =3DA0People have alluded to it transmitting
over
the
radio, do both gliders also need to be on the same radio freq.?
etc.
etc.

thanks,
Jim

At 20:56 01 September 2009, brianDG303 wrote:

Flying this weekend in a new area it was difficult to keep track
of
where each other was, thought about using the team location
feature
in
SYM. I've copied the details on how it works below. Has anyone
tried
this feature and how did it work?

Brian

6.17 =3DA0 =3DA0Team
The Team feature in SeeYou Mobile will help you find or hide your
teammate. It lets you share your
position with other pilots and even encrypt this information so
that
your competitors won't be able to
decode it.
To use it:
.. Enable the "Team Position Code (Team)" Navbox in Menu Next

Navboxes =3DA0 =3DA0 . Or use Menu
Next Team from the main menu.
.. Go to the map view and tap on the Team navbox.
.. Team dialog opens. You need to press Setup before first use.
.. Press Select to select a source waypoint for the calculation.
It
is
imperative that your teammate does
the same.
.. If you would like to hide the information from others, enter
the
Encryption key. Again, both or all
pilots have to share the same key.
Go fly. When asked about your position, answer "One-Kilo-Bravo-
Yankee". Your teammate will tap the
Team navbox, enter the code and say "Thanks" while others won't
have
a
clue unless they have the
key

I started this thread and don't entirely understand the feature yet,
I'll try it this weekend. But one thing I do understand is that this
is not a dynamic feature (it does not update the position) and it is
not device to device. It just gives you a 4 or 5 letter code, which
you transmit by radio to other pilots. They enter the code into
SeeYou, (or winpilot or xcsoar, I understand they all have this
feature) and your location is displayed, I think as a waypoint. After
entering the code you have an option to press a GOTO button which in
my setup would display distance and bearing to a glider pilot who had
just sent me his/her code. It would continue to display that
information long after the other glider had moved on.

So,if =A0the other pilot sent you their code while in a strong
thermal
you would have a waypoint set to that thermal and know where they
were
at that moment.

I understand that you both need to be on the same software, it seems
that they use different ways to generate the code. But I am still
figuring this out.

Brian

With SeeYou Mobile, each of the team set [the same] turnpoint (or
random
lat/long) (Menu Next =A0 Team Setup ) . =A0Use 'NavBoxes' to
display=
an
extra box on the screen containing a coded pseudo tp reference.
Give this code (your current location, referenced from the tp you
used)
t=
o
the person trying to find you and they can then navigate to the
position
=
of
the pseudo tp, if they have also setup their Team tp identically.
You can confuse the opposition some more by adding a codeword (when
setting up the tp in each of your SYMs).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I believe this feature displays positions from a feed from a FLARM
collision avoidance device not available in North America. No FLARM,
no data, no picture of your team-mates.

DD

The 'Team' feature does not need Flarm. It is purely a manual system
(to enter the pseudo tp).

Flarm however does identify each unit within the (Flarm) NMEA Datastream
and this can be used by See You Mobile to show friends and others, (see
page 25/26 of the SYM manual).

Since you chaps on the west side of the pond don't have Flarm, it won't
be of help to you, but the 'Team' feature doesn't need Flarm so will
work for you. It doesn't show other gliders, but allows you to navigate
to where your team mate is (or rather was!) when they pass their encoded
location to you.

For team flying, a number of US pilots have used Garmin RINO. Back
when they allowed position data to only be transmitted on the lower
power FRS band, air-to-air range was about 10 Nm. Then a few years
back, the FCC allowed use on the GMRS channels and airborne range
increased to 20 - 23 miles *if* the RINO is mounted so it's antenna is
above the canopy rail.

Yeah, it's one more gadget to add, but it's easy to use displays the
other glider/s bearing, distance, and altitude. It also allows a spot
(thermal) to be marked and that info transmitted to team members.
Polling may be individually enabled too, and that allows you to
request and receive position info from other "team" gliders without
their having to push their send button.

bumper
MKIV and QV
zz

On Sep 5, 6:52*am, bumper wrote:
For team flying, a number of US pilots have used Garmin RINO. Back
when they allowed position data to only be transmitted on the lower
power FRS band, air-to-air range was about 10 Nm. Then a few years
back, the FCC allowed use on the GMRS channels and airborne range
increased to 20 - 23 miles *if* the RINO is mounted so it's antenna is
above the canopy rail.

Yeah, it's one more gadget to add, but it's easy to use displays the
other glider/s bearing, distance, and altitude. It also allows a spot
(thermal) to be marked and that info transmitted to team members.
Polling may be individually enabled too, and that allows you to
request and receive position info from other "team" gliders without
their having to push their send button.

bumper
MKIV and QV
zz

Not only does the Team Code work very well in SYM it also generates
the same format as XCsoar, so this weekend another pilot and I were
able to locate each other by using the feature in those two programs.
FLARM is not required. As has been pointed out, this is not a tracking
device, the other pilot tells you the location code over the radio and
you type it in which results in a waypoint being added to your screen
with distance and bearing if that is how you have your softwar st up-
in SYM it becomes the Target and shares those atributes.

Brian