Let's Talk Bi-Polar; Life Is ****

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:51:47 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 12:04:07PM -0700, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:26*am, thunderhoof wrote:

Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is
not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative
importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with
the objective external world?

Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all
existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold
noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking*
and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material
universe...

Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry (Self Realization) in a
simpler manner, from the beginning.

Before embarking on a description of the technique itself it will be
necessary to explain Sri Ramana Maharshi’s views on the nature of the
mind since the aim of self-enquiry is to discover by direct
experience, that the mind is non-existent.

According to Sri Ramana Maharshi, every conscious activity of the mind
or body revolves around the tacit assumption that there is an ‘I’ who
is doing something.

The common factor in ‘I think’, ‘I remember’, ‘I am acting’, is the
‘I’ who assumes that it is responsible for all these activities.

Sri Ramana Maharshi called this common factor the ‘I’-thought (Aham-
Vritti).

Literally aham-vritti means ‘mental modification of ‘I’.

The Self or real ‘I’ never imagines that it is doing or thinking
anything; the ‘I’ that imagines all this is a mental fiction and so it
is called a mental modification of the Self.

Since this is a rather cumbersome translation of Aham-Vritti it is
usually translated as ‘I’-thought.

The first and foremost of all thoughts that arise in the mind is the
primal 'I'-thought.

It is only after the rise or origin of the 'I'-thought that
innumerable other thoughts arise.

In other words, only after the first personal pronoun, 'I', has
arisen, do the second and third personal pronouns ('you, he' etc.)
occur to the mind; and they cannot subsist without the former.

Since every other thought can occur only after the rise of the 'I'-
thought and since the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts, it is
only through the inquiry 'Who am I?' that the mind subsides.

Moreover, the integral 'I'-thought, implicit in such enquiry, having
destroyed all other thoughts, gets itself destroyed or consumed, just
as the stick used for stirring the burning funeral pyre gets
consumed....

Verbal constipation can be cured today. Your doctor knows what drugs
to prescribe; you should make an appointment to see him.

Regards,

Steve

Now I find that Prozac makes me a fairly pleasant individual. I take a
measly 600mg lithium however I'm usually pretty "up", but that's more
a state I developed after years of conditioning. In other words, LOL,
misery.

Its really less about how we got this way, and more about
who we're going to become...a spirochete. Rapidly spreading across
the world, causing people to act bipolar.

--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina

On Apr 3, 3:04*pm, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:26*am, thunderhoof wrote:

Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is
not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative
importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with
the objective external world?

Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all
existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold
noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking*
and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material
universe...

Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry (Self Realization) in a
simpler manner, from the beginning.

Before embarking on a description of the technique itself it will be
necessary to explain Sri Ramana Maharshi’s views on the nature of the
mind since the aim of self-enquiry is to discover by direct
experience, that the mind is non-existent.

According to Sri Ramana Maharshi, every conscious activity of the mind
or body revolves around the tacit assumption that there is an ‘I’ who
is doing something.

The common factor in ‘I think’, ‘I remember’, ‘I am acting’, is the
‘I’ who assumes that it is responsible for all these activities.

Sri Ramana Maharshi called this common factor the ‘I’-thought (Aham-
Vritti).

Literally aham-vritti means ‘mental modification of ‘I’.

The Self or real ‘I’ never imagines that it is doing or thinking
anything; the ‘I’ that imagines all this is a mental fiction and so it
is called a mental modification of the Self.

Since this is a rather cumbersome translation of Aham-Vritti it is
usually translated as ‘I’-thought.

The first and foremost of all thoughts that arise in the mind is the
primal *'I'-thought.

It is only after the rise or origin of the 'I'-thought that
innumerable other thoughts arise.

In other words, only after the first personal *pronoun, 'I', has
arisen, do the second and third personal pronouns ('you, he' etc.)
occur to the mind; and they cannot subsist without the former.

Since every other thought can occur only after the rise of the 'I'-
thought and since the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts, it is
only through the inquiry 'Who am I?' that the mind subsides.

Moreover, the integral 'I'-thought, implicit in such enquiry, having
destroyed all other thoughts, gets itself destroyed or consumed, just
as the stick used for stirring the burning funeral pyre gets
consumed....

I like this post.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:33:16 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:

On Apr 3, 3:04*pm, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:26*am, thunderhoof wrote:

Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is
not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative
importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with
the objective external world?

Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all
existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold
noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking*
and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material
universe...

Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry (Self Realization) in a
simpler manner, from the beginning.

Before embarking on a description of the technique itself it will be
necessary to explain Sri Ramana Maharshi¢s views on the nature of the
mind since the aim of self-enquiry is to discover by direct
experience, that the mind is non-existent.

According to Sri Ramana Maharshi, every conscious activity of the mind
or body revolves around the tacit assumption that there is an ¡I¢ who
is doing something.

The common factor in ¡I think¢, ¡I remember¢, ¡I am acting¢, is the
¡I¢ who assumes that it is responsible for all these activities.

Sri Ramana Maharshi called this common factor the ¡I¢-thought (Aham-
Vritti).

Literally aham-vritti means ¡mental modification of ¡I¢.

The Self or real ¡I¢ never imagines that it is doing or thinking
anything; the ¡I¢ that imagines all this is a mental fiction and so it
is called a mental modification of the Self.

Since this is a rather cumbersome translation of Aham-Vritti it is
usually translated as ¡I¢-thought.

The first and foremost of all thoughts that arise in the mind is the
primal *'I'-thought.

It is only after the rise or origin of the 'I'-thought that
innumerable other thoughts arise.

In other words, only after the first personal *pronoun, 'I', has
arisen, do the second and third personal pronouns ('you, he' etc.)
occur to the mind; and they cannot subsist without the former.

Since every other thought can occur only after the rise of the 'I'-
thought and since the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts, it is
only through the inquiry 'Who am I?' that the mind subsides.

Moreover, the integral 'I'-thought, implicit in such enquiry, having
destroyed all other thoughts, gets itself destroyed or consumed, just
as the stick used for stirring the burning funeral pyre gets
consumed....

I like to suck ****.

Suck away.

You bi-morphing penis-dick freak.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina

On Apr 4, 12:33*pm, thunderhoof wrote:
On Apr 3, 3:04*pm, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:





On Apr 3, 11:26*am, thunderhoof wrote:

Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is
not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative
importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with
the objective external world?

Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all
existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold
noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking*
and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material
universe...

Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry (Self Realization) in a
simpler manner, from the beginning.

Before embarking on a description of the technique itself it will be
necessary to explain Sri Ramana Maharshi’s views on the nature of the
mind since the aim of self-enquiry is to discover by direct
experience, that the mind is non-existent.

According to Sri Ramana Maharshi, every conscious activity of the mind
or body revolves around the tacit assumption that there is an ‘I’ who
is doing something.

The common factor in ‘I think’, ‘I remember’, ‘I am acting’, is the
‘I’ who assumes that it is responsible for all these activities.

Sri Ramana Maharshi called this common factor the ‘I’-thought (Aham-
Vritti).

Literally aham-vritti means ‘mental modification of ‘I’.

The Self or real ‘I’ never imagines that it is doing or thinking
anything; the ‘I’ that imagines all this is a mental fiction and so it
is called a mental modification of the Self.

Since this is a rather cumbersome translation of Aham-Vritti it is
usually translated as ‘I’-thought.

The first and foremost of all thoughts that arise in the mind is the
primal *'I'-thought.

It is only after the rise or origin of the 'I'-thought that
innumerable other thoughts arise.

In other words, only after the first personal *pronoun, 'I', has
arisen, do the second and third personal pronouns ('you, he' etc.)
occur to the mind; and they cannot subsist without the former.

Since every other thought can occur only after the rise of the 'I'-
thought and since the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts, it is
only through the inquiry 'Who am I?' that the mind subsides.

Moreover, the integral 'I'-thought, implicit in such enquiry, having
destroyed all other thoughts, gets itself destroyed or consumed, just
as the stick used for stirring the burning funeral pyre gets
consumed....

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Obviously like him you enjoy sex with children...and livestock and yes
he has advocated those things on usenet under the guise of differing
names. I suggest you kiss his ass and die like he is going to in a
month or three.

On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 11:26:17AM -0700, thunderhoof wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:
BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic
Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or
Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just
listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack
of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved
enough or supported enough as a small child.

***** U*

Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're
going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world,
causing people to act bipolar.

Fortunately I don't have to take prescription
meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina

Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my
response to your particular brand of ignorance?
Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

Hey, all I see are more satisfied customers of the public education
system. One billion-plus idiots can't be wrong.

I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage.
Sincerely you really should get some help for that.

He won't acknowledge a problem that has him as its origin. It is
inconcevable to consider that the problem is in any way internal, and
so it will always be the targets of his rancor who must adjust their
attitude.

Mark, self-styled hero of Usenet: safe to killfile.



Regards,

Steve

--
Proud supporter of the "Let's Make English A Right-To-Left Language
Campaign". Just for fun, and because it's better than legalizing pot.

On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:41:12 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:

On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 11:26:17AM -0700, thunderhoof wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:
BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic
Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or
Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just
listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack
of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved
enough or supported enough as a small child.

***** U*

Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're
going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world,
causing people to act bipolar.

Fortunately I don't have to take prescription
meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina

Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my
response to your particular brand of ignorance?
Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

Hey, all I see are more satisfied customers of the public education
system. One billion-plus idiots can't be wrong.

I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage.
Sincerely you really should get some help for that.

He won't acknowledge a problem that has him as its origin. It is
inconcevable to consider that the problem is in any way internal, and
so it will always be the targets of his rancor who must adjust their
attitude.

Mark, self-styled hero of Usenet: safe to killfile.

Regards,

Steve

I thought you were gpoing ot turn me into the FBI?

*LYING COWARD SCUMBAG MOTHERSUCKER*
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina

On Apr 3, 4:17*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:41:12 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 11:26:17AM -0700, thunderhoof wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:
BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic
Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or
Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just
listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack
of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved
enough or supported enough as a small child.

***** U*

Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're
going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world,
causing people to act bipolar.

Fortunately I don't have to take prescription
meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina

Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my
response to your particular brand of ignorance?
Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self
determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish
yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and
replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different
day.

Hey, all I see are more satisfied customers of the public education
system. *One billion-plus idiots can't be wrong.

I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage.
Sincerely you really should get some help for that.

He won't acknowledge a problem that has him as its origin. *It is
inconcevable to consider that the problem is in any way internal, and
so it will always be the targets of his rancor who must adjust their
attitude.

Mark, self-styled hero of Usenet: *safe to killfile.

Regards,

Steve

I thought you were gpoing ot turn me into the FBI?

*LYING COWARD SCUMBAG MOTHERSUCKER*

*yawn*, this is getting repetitive.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:

You wrote:

The problem now, is that once you are on meds for bp or any disorder
for
that matter, you cannot be taken off without *that* disorder returning
(timing
is everythin)

Now wait a minute, *goddammit*.
Psychotrophic drugs only sedate and mask.

LOL I think you meant anti psychotic drugs. Firstly PTSD patients
don't necessarily get anti psychotics, I for one got prescribed a very
low dose of anti anxieties which are totally different from anti
psychotics. They simply allowed me to stop shaking and crying
whenever I had to get out of bed or face a real live person. FYI Anti
psychotic drugs do not MASK anything they re-wire the brain to prevent
psychotic episodes and help the patient distinguish between reality
and hallucination or fantasy. Two different classes of drugs all
together prescribed for two different classes of disorders entirely.
Think of it this way PTSD is like an injury to the mind due to some
horrible infliction by an outside force person or persons on the
person who suffers from the PTSD. While BP is a disease of the actual
brain matter itself.

*WHO THE **** DO _YOU_ THINK YOU ARE?*

Some Jew psychiatrist b/c you have a penis?

I don't like moderated groups. They tend
to just be one big pity party, with some
little dictator censoring opinions.

I've examined manic depression from
many angles, so, we'll see what
happens.

I'll be bach.

******
Mark
"alway's be sincere, even if you don't really mean it."

On Apr 3, 2:03*pm, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:
*You wrote:

The problem now, is that once you are on meds for bp or any disorder
for
that matter, you cannot be taken off without *that* disorder returning
(timing
is everythin)

Now wait a minute, *goddammit*.
Psychotrophic drugs only sedate and mask.

LOL I think you meant anti psychotic drugs. *Firstly PTSD patients
don't necessarily get anti psychotics, I for one got prescribed a very
low dose of anti anxieties which are totally different from anti
psychotics. *They simply allowed me to stop shaking and crying
whenever I had to get out of bed or face a real live person. FYI *Anti
psychotic drugs do not MASK anything they re-wire the brain to prevent
psychotic episodes and help the patient distinguish between reality
and hallucination or fantasy. *Two different classes of drugs all
together prescribed for two different classes of disorders entirely.
Think of it this way PTSD is like an injury to the mind due to some
horrible infliction by an outside force person or persons on the
person who suffers from the PTSD. While BP is a disease of the actual
brain matter itself.

*WHO THE **** DO _YOU_ THINK YOU ARE?*

Some Jew psychiatrist b/c you have a penis?

I don't like moderated groups. They tend
to just be one big pity party, with some
little dictator censoring opinions.

I've examined manic depression from
many angles, so, we'll see what
happens.

I'll be bach.

******
Mark
"alway's be sincere, even if you don't really mean it."

Um I think I was very clear about who I am. I am someone who suffered
from PTSD and anxiety. You appear to be confused as to what PTSD is
and how it's possible for someone to go off med's and NOT revert back
to the disorder that first caused them to need such drugs. No I'm not
a psychiatrist or a Jew but I paid some and knew a few. You'll be
"Bach" will ya? While you do your research on how to TRY to win this
debate why don't you google Bach too? Fer some easy listening
background music, let's just say.

On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote:

*WHO THE **** DO _YOU_ THINK YOU ARE?*

Some Jew psychiatrist b/c you have a penis?

I don't like moderated groups. They tend
to just be one big pity party, with some
little dictator censoring opinions.

I've examined manic depression from
many angles, so, we'll see what
happens.

I'll be bach.

******
Mark
"alway's be sincere, even if you don't really mean it."

Um I think I was very clear about who I am. I am someone who suffered
from PTSD and anxiety.

*So _you_ the nutcase are going to tell me the Creative Genius...what?

I laugh.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina