IVAN--Pensacola NMNA survived (unconfirmed report)

The "Secret Navy Bomber" (SNB / UC-45J) was still in service with VT-10
during the late 1960s when I was stooging my way through the SNFO pipeline.
At VT-10 it was used for low-level day VMC nav training over scenic southern
Alabama.

--
Mike Kanze

"It was like being a rat living under a bowling alley."

- Willem Dafoe, commenting on what it was like to sleep in a compartment
just below the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.



"Frank" wrote in message
m...
Hope the SNB-5P made it. It was one of the planes we used for our photo
training hops in the 50s - with Navy and Marine APs as pilots.

Frank - 34 yrs USN

"Thomas A. Hoffer" wrote in message
...
I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks the
exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself.
While
it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds
like
nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage to
some planes is fixable.

" The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the
storm.
Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits inside
were unharmed.

Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum were
damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of wings
lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their moorings,
had
collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage."

I thought it was the "Subsonic Navy Bugsmasher" or Sneeb!

You were doing that while I was scaring cows in South Texas in the Stoof,
S-2F (actually TS-2F, all the ASW gear was removed - I assume to protect it
from an SNA's smooth landing techniques!)

tom
USN Ret


"Mike Kanze" wrote in message
...
The "Secret Navy Bomber" (SNB / UC-45J) was still in service with VT-10
during the late 1960s when I was stooging my way through the SNFO
pipeline.
At VT-10 it was used for low-level day VMC nav training over scenic
southern
Alabama.

--
Mike Kanze

"It was like being a rat living under a bowling alley."

- Willem Dafoe, commenting on what it was like to sleep in a compartment
just below the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.



"Frank" wrote in message
m...
Hope the SNB-5P made it. It was one of the planes we used for our photo
training hops in the 50s - with Navy and Marine APs as pilots.

Frank - 34 yrs USN

"Thomas A. Hoffer" wrote in message
...
I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks
the
exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself.
While
it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds
like
nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage
to
some planes is fixable.

" The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the
storm.
Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits
inside
were unharmed.

Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum
were
damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of
wings
lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their
moorings,
had
collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage."

Several TS-2As remain flying today with the California Division of Forestry
(CDF) as retardant bombers. These are being re-engined with turboprops.

--
Mike Kanze

"It was like being a rat living under a bowling alley."

- Willem Dafoe, commenting on what it was like to sleep in a compartment
just below the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.



"w4okw" wrote in message
...
I thought it was the "Subsonic Navy Bugsmasher" or Sneeb!

You were doing that while I was scaring cows in South Texas in the Stoof,
S-2F (actually TS-2F, all the ASW gear was removed - I assume to protect
it
from an SNA's smooth landing techniques!)

tom
USN Ret


"Mike Kanze" wrote in message
...
The "Secret Navy Bomber" (SNB / UC-45J) was still in service with VT-10
during the late 1960s when I was stooging my way through the SNFO
pipeline.
At VT-10 it was used for low-level day VMC nav training over scenic
southern
Alabama.

--
Mike Kanze

"It was like being a rat living under a bowling alley."

- Willem Dafoe, commenting on what it was like to sleep in a compartment
just below the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.



"Frank" wrote in message
m...
Hope the SNB-5P made it. It was one of the planes we used for our
photo
training hops in the 50s - with Navy and Marine APs as pilots.

Frank - 34 yrs USN

"Thomas A. Hoffer" wrote in message
...
I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks
the
exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself.
While
it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds
like
nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage
to
some planes is fixable.

" The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the
storm.
Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits
inside
were unharmed.

Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum
were
damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of
wings
lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their
moorings,
had
collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage."

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:16:49 -0500, old hoodoo
wrote:


.....The Naval Aviation Museum, where the Navy houses its most valuable
aviation artifacts, held up, officials said...."

Al and I are among those who are waiting with anxiety to hear from the
museum, not only for its existing collection, but because of its
recent acquisition of the only Brewster F2A-1 fighter (indeed, the
only "Buffalo") in existence. This is BW-372, a Finnish Air Force
fighter recovered from a lake in Russia six years ago. See the Annals
of the Brewster Buffalo at www.warbirdforum.com/buff.htm


all the best -- Dan Ford
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old hoodoo wrote:

Being a relatively new building, and I think built with private funds
to the newer building codes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation has
initially been reported to have weathered the storm intact which is what
was expected (with crossed fingers I presume) from such a structure.

Only a one liner, included in an article re the blue angels.

"Storm damage forces Navy’s Blue Angels to skip Oceana show

By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot
© September 18, 2004

.....The Naval Aviation Museum, where the Navy houses its most valuable
aviation artifacts, held up, officials said...."

So, apparently that magnificent collection was spared, and the decision
to build a museum there was not an "historical disaster" as they may
have built it right. Its my understanding that the museum itself is
privately owned and funded, although it works in close association with
the Navy.

Still would like some confirmation though.

AL

Check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for some
"official" USN photos of NAS Pensacola damage. No
pics or info on the museum, which posters there
are also quite concerned about.

--
Lynn in StLou
REMOVETHIS anti-spam measure to reply

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:36:39 GMT, lat7575
wrote:

Check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for some
"official" USN photos of NAS Pensacola damage. No

It's even easier to get them on the web:
http://www.news.navy.mil/view_galler...category_id=39


--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:p6P3d.52316$9Y5.33484@fed1read02...
A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.

Great News!

I just read an online article from the Miama Herald that says the
museum fared very well. "There was minimum damage," said retired Vice
Adm. Jack Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation. "The museum is in great shape." The article continues: "He
said only two of about 70 planes displayed outside on the flight line
at Pensacola Naval Air Station were damaged. Aircraft inside the
museum and a restoration building were unharmed. Other than some water
penetration near the entrance, the museum itself is fine, Fetterman
said."

Also: "We could be up for visitors within a week and a half to two
weeks," Fetterman said.

This is certainly a relief. I am still trying to reach NAS JRB NO to
confirm if the Blue Angels are temporarily moving their base there.

Best--Karen

Super NEWs INDEED! Thanks Karen, for posting it.

Karen Johnson wrote:
"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:p6P3d.52316$9Y5.33484@fed1read02...

A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.


Great News!

I just read an online article from the Miama Herald that says the
museum fared very well. "There was minimum damage," said retired Vice
Adm. Jack Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation. "The museum is in great shape." The article continues: "He
said only two of about 70 planes displayed outside on the flight line
at Pensacola Naval Air Station were damaged. Aircraft inside the
museum and a restoration building were unharmed. Other than some water
penetration near the entrance, the museum itself is fine, Fetterman
said."

Also: "We could be up for visitors within a week and a half to two
weeks," Fetterman said.

This is certainly a relief. I am still trying to reach NAS JRB NO to
confirm if the Blue Angels are temporarily moving their base there.

Best--Karen

On 21 Sep 2004 14:22:04 -0700, (Karen Johnson) wrote:

Great News!

Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)

I've posted the article at
http://p196.ezboard.com/fwarbirdsfor...picID=17.topic
for anyone who wants to read it without registering. Since it's AP, I
reckon it's available at other sites as well.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

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