2 seaters

(Ben Jackson) writes:

I'll be flamed from all quarters here, but you might consider a "2 seater"
like the Mooney M20A. There's one on TAP right now for $30,500. If you
look for a bargain or stretch your budget you might be able to get into
a metal-wing M20. An M20 is going to be a lot easier to maintain than
an M10 since they all share many parts.

It cannot be easy to locate mechanics who are familiar with maintaining
and inspecting wood these days.

Read http://www.mooneypilots.com/woodwing.html, which is an interview
with Bill Wheat (a Mooney authority) about the wood-wing Mooney models
(the M20 and M20A).

I think you'd be looking at the low $40k range before you could get
into a decent 1962--1964 model year all-metal Mooney. That's quite a
bit out of the original poster's price range.

--
Matt Emerson
1963 M20D

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message t.net...
In article ,
Marco Rispoli wrote:
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2 seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I'll be flamed from all quarters here, but you might consider a "2 seater"
like the Mooney M20A. There's one on TAP right now for $30,500. If you
look for a bargain or stretch your budget you might be able to get into
a metal-wing M20. An M20 is going to be a lot easier to maintain than
an M10 since they all share many parts.

I also cast a vote for the Ercoupe. I will disagree with the above. An
M20 is a retractable, constant speed prop aircraft. It will cost much
more to maintain then an Ercoupe, Aircoupe or M10. Insurance will also
be much more. Been there.

Kevin

Marco,

I've posted this befo if you're on a budget check out this article at
AvWeb:

http://www.avweb.com/news/usedacft/181782-1.html

Check out the section on "entry-level trainer", that's the category you're
buying into. They cover the skipper and the high-wings you don't like.
They also say "why buy a two-seater when you can get a four-seater for the
same price"? I took that advice when I picked up by PA28-140, which is also
in your price range. Anyway...

The skipper gets fair reviews and you can pick up decent ones that aren't
too old. The tomahawk, which is a near clone, is another story. It has a
few black eyes due to its stall/spin behavior (at least until several ADs
were applied). You'll want to be careful shopping for tomahawks and some
people simply don't trust them (Rich Stowell, famous for spin training, is
one such person, at least that's what he's said in the past). Don't know
anything about the M10, sorry. I DO know that the first M20s had wooden
wings, if that's true for the M10 then steer well clear.

good luck,
mark

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2
seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I can afford:

Beech Skipper (goes between 25-35 grands age around 20+)
Mooney M10 (same as the skipper ... but it's older age around 30+)
Piper Tomahawk (same as the skipper).

Are there any other low wing 2 seaters out there that I am missing?
(probably, yes ...)

By the way it's not by chance that there's no high-wings in my list. I
know
I can probably buy a cub for the same price ... I am just not too crazy
about high wings ... I will look into those later, if I have no other
choice.

Thanks

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net

"Mark Astley" wrote in message
...
Marco,

clip
Don't know anything about the M10, sorry. I DO know that the first M20s
had wooden
wings, if that's true for the M10 then steer well clear.

good luck,
mark

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Just for the record, the Mooney M10 Cadet is all-metal. It is really just
an Aircoupe with its tail feathers clipped. Mooney bought the
Ercoupe/Aircoupe type certificate and started producing the plane after
Alon. But they clipped off the most distictive part of the 'Coupe, the twin
vertical fins and replace it with their well know Mooney tail. With the twin
Tails the plane was placarded as incapable of spinning, under normal CG
limits it just could not be made to spin. For better or worse, this was
not true once Mooney put their tail on it. In my opinion, Mooney did Fred
Weick's design a great disservice. The M10 may be a great little plane, but
it just ain't the same bird.


Mitch Hines
Alon A-2 Aircoupe
N6369V


Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical
and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.

- Simon Newcomb, 1902

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003, Mitch Hines wrote:

not true once Mooney put their tail on it. In my opinion, Mooney did Fred
Weick's design a great disservice. The M10 may be a great little plane, but
it just ain't the same bird.

I think they probably did it because they wanted a conventional trainer.
Although I hated the M10, I have to admit it generated a LOT of attention
when I would taxi into an airport. Not to many people have seen one.

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Very good reading!

thank you!

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net
"Mark Astley" wrote in message
...
Marco,

I've posted this befo if you're on a budget check out this article at
AvWeb:

http://www.avweb.com/news/usedacft/181782-1.html

Check out the section on "entry-level trainer", that's the category you're
buying into. They cover the skipper and the high-wings you don't like.
They also say "why buy a two-seater when you can get a four-seater for the
same price"? I took that advice when I picked up by PA28-140, which is
also
in your price range. Anyway...

The skipper gets fair reviews and you can pick up decent ones that aren't
too old. The tomahawk, which is a near clone, is another story. It has a
few black eyes due to its stall/spin behavior (at least until several ADs
were applied). You'll want to be careful shopping for tomahawks and some
people simply don't trust them (Rich Stowell, famous for spin training, is
one such person, at least that's what he's said in the past). Don't know
anything about the M10, sorry. I DO know that the first M20s had wooden
wings, if that's true for the M10 then steer well clear.

good luck,
mark

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
In my quest to purchase an aircraft I came to the conclusion that a 2
seater
could fit my mission parameters AND my budget.

I can afford:

Beech Skipper (goes between 25-35 grands age around 20+)
Mooney M10 (same as the skipper ... but it's older age around 30+)
Piper Tomahawk (same as the skipper).

Are there any other low wing 2 seaters out there that I am missing?
(probably, yes ...)

By the way it's not by chance that there's no high-wings in my list. I
know
I can probably buy a cub for the same price ... I am just not too crazy
about high wings ... I will look into those later, if I have no other
choice.

Thanks

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA
You can read my flight training diary at
http://www.tranceweb.net