OLC download limit

Why would we care to protect someone stupid enough to upload their
flight which contains a violation? Darwin has a point, you know...

-John

On Mar 23, 6:34 am, Barny wrote:
Sounds like a good rule to prevent governments around the world from
wholesale downloading flights for review using s/w looking for
violations.

On Mar 23, 5:03*am, jcarlyle wrote:
Why would we care to protect someone stupid enough to upload their
flight which contains a violation? Darwin has a point, you know...

-John

On Mar 23, 6:34 am, Barny wrote:

Sounds like a good rule to prevent governments around the world from
wholesale downloading flights for review using s/w looking for
violations.

You can't deduce a violation of flight regulations just by looking at
an igc file. Many pilots, including me, have made flights into areas
that might be deemed illegal (for example above 18,000 feet or
normally closed military flight areas) quite legally with the express
permission of ATC. Even the "no flights after sunset" rule that we
argue about is a bit iffy. Sunset time is a variable that depends on
many factors that simple geometric formulae don't always correct for
and I know a couple of motorgliders and one self-launcher that are
equipped with lights and may fly after sunset quite legally. Some
pilots are now planning night wave flights.

The biggest violation that many of us make is proximity to clouds
(apart from those countries where cloud flying is legal). When the
position of clouds appears on igc files, I'll really start to worry!

Mike

Barny wrote:
Sounds like a good rule to prevent governments around the world from
wholesale downloading flights for review using s/w looking for
violations.

No, your idea is flawed. Everything you need for that is already
provided anonymously for OLC's JavaScript code.

The rule is purely egoistic. It shall preserve OLC's power and keep
others from doing independent flight analysis.

What we need is an open database for exchanging IGC files. That way,
anybody could do flight analysis (daily score, contests,
meteorological analysis, whatever).

Max

Mike, you left out one important thing: a PIC knows when there is
something that could be wrongly interpreted about his flight. One
knows if they did go (or could have gone) above 18,000 feet, or went
into a normally closed area, or landed legally after a strict
geometric calculation of sunset time, etc., etc. And if one knows,
they'll either (1) not post the flight onto a public forum like OLC,
or (2) they'll add comments to the OLC posting. If (1), no problem. If
(2), then if some bozo rips the file off OLC and doesn't take the
comments, the PIC is still covered (although I can see it might be a
hassle for a bit).

My comment was directed at the idiot who knows he violated airspace
and/or flight rules and posts his flight anyway. Sort of a "hold my
beer and look at this" attitude.

-John


On Mar 23, 9:28 am, Mike the Strike wrote:
You can't deduce a violation of flight regulations just by looking at
an igc file. Many pilots, including me, have made flights into areas
that might be deemed illegal (for example above 18,000 feet or
normally closed military flight areas) quite legally with the express
permission of ATC. Even the "no flights after sunset" rule that we
argue about is a bit iffy. Sunset time is a variable that depends on
many factors that simple geometric formulae don't always correct for
and I know a couple of motorgliders and one self-launcher that are
equipped with lights and may fly after sunset quite legally. Some
pilots are now planning night wave flights.

On Mar 23, 7:45*am, Max Kellermann wrote:
Barny wrote:
Sounds like a good rule to prevent governments around the world from
wholesale downloading flights for review using s/w looking for
violations.

No, your idea is flawed. *Everything you need for that is already
provided anonymously for OLC's JavaScript code.

The rule is purely egoistic. *It shall preserve OLC's power and keep
others from doing independent flight analysis.

What we need is an open database for exchanging IGC files. *That way,
anybody could do flight analysis (daily score, contests,
meteorological analysis, whatever).

Max

Regarless of the philosophy or justification for a download limit can
someone please see if they also see the problem I reported -

With Firefox, please select a flight, then select IGC download, then
save the file, then hit browser back button. I see the file
management screen again not the previous flight display page.
Attempting to get back past the file management screen uses up
downloads even though no file download was made.

Andy

On Mar 23, 8:57*am, Andy wrote:
On Mar 23, 7:45*am, Max Kellermann wrote:





Barny wrote:
Sounds like a good rule to prevent governments around the world from
wholesale downloading flights for review using s/w looking for
violations.

No, your idea is flawed. *Everything you need for that is already
provided anonymously for OLC's JavaScript code.

The rule is purely egoistic. *It shall preserve OLC's power and keep
others from doing independent flight analysis.

What we need is an open database for exchanging IGC files. *That way,
anybody could do flight analysis (daily score, contests,
meteorological analysis, whatever).

Max

Regarless of the philosophy or justification for a download limit can
someone please see if they also see the problem I reported -

With Firefox, please select a flight, then select IGC download, then
save the file, then hit browser back button. *I see the file
management screen again not the previous flight display page.
Attempting to get back past the file management screen uses up
downloads even though no file download was made.

Andy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is not seen with IE 6.

Andy

On Mar 23, 9:52*am, Andy wrote:
On Mar 23, 8:57*am, Andy wrote:



On Mar 23, 7:45*am, Max Kellermann wrote:

Barny wrote:
Sounds like a good rule to prevent governments around the world from
wholesale downloading flights for review using s/w looking for
violations.

No, your idea is flawed. *Everything you need for that is already
provided anonymously for OLC's JavaScript code.

The rule is purely egoistic. *It shall preserve OLC's power and keep
others from doing independent flight analysis.

What we need is an open database for exchanging IGC files. *That way,
anybody could do flight analysis (daily score, contests,
meteorological analysis, whatever).

Max

Regarless of the philosophy or justification for a download limit can
someone please see if they also see the problem I reported -

With Firefox, please select a flight, then select IGC download, then
save the file, then hit browser back button. *I see the file
management screen again not the previous flight display page.
Attempting to get back past the file management screen uses up
downloads even though no file download was made.

Andy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The problem is not seen with IE 6.

Andy

I think I found out why I see this problem and others say they don't.

It all works fine with Firefox if I log in before attempting to access
the first flight. If I don't log in, but wait until prompted to log in
when selecting IGC download, then the browser back function can't get
past the file management screen to select another flight.

Andy