CAVU and I'm Grounded!

Javier Henderson wrote:


If it's installed, it's gotta be checked every 24 months.

Of course, you could:

a) Remove it (tools needed: 3/32" Allen wrench qty 1)

or

b) Label it "INOP"

Then, go fly the sucker outside of the areas that require a transponder.


Just go fly fer Christs sake.

should I be surprised that people are encouraging others to disregard the
regulations?

tell me it isn't so..

BT

"Newps" wrote in message
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Javier Henderson wrote:


If it's installed, it's gotta be checked every 24 months.

Of course, you could:

a) Remove it (tools needed: 3/32" Allen wrench qty 1)

or

b) Label it "INOP"

Then, go fly the sucker outside of the areas that require a transponder.


Just go fly fer Christs sake.

BTIZ wrote:
should I be surprised that people are encouraging others to disregard the
regulations?
tell me it isn't so..

The first question I ask is, "Am I safe?"
The question, "Am I violating any Regs?" is quite a ways down the list.
Regardless, if the answer to the first question is YES, I keep flying.
FAR 91.3 allows me creative license. ;-)

BTIZ wrote:
should I be surprised that people are encouraging others to disregard the
regulations?

Put it to you this way: flew from Nashville to Norman, OK today (with
appropriate fuel stops). Headwinds were stronger than expected; I
expected to have night VFR reserves at landing, but when we got closer
to that point, I wasn't sure I'd be holding them (perfectly legal).
Stopped at Norman to drop off pax, then planned to head down to David
Jay Perry, where we keep the airplane. 1K4 is about six miles from OUN;
you can see either from the other's pattern.

I was *not* going to pay Cruise's fuel prices to carry a 45-minute
reserve for a six-minute flight.

(As it turned out, we had 45 minutes in the right tank, and about ten in
the left, so all was cool. Still getting used to the fuel gauges in
that dumb thing.)

--Dave

--
Dave Buckles

http://www.flight-instruction.com

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:PHr2c.66520$PR3.1084780@attbi_s03...
Going over the logs once again last night (about the 4th time...) it
suddenly hits me - there's no record of a 24 month transponder check!!!
Grounded!!! Of all the checks we did on the pre-purchase, that one
slipped
by. Shame on me. And it is one heckuva beeeyoutiful day out there.
*sigh*

You grounded your plane on a VFR day because the transponder hasn't been
checked in 24 months?

Turn the stupid thing off and go fly!

You need the transponder check even for VFR. I suspect he's close enough
to the class B to require it.

You need the transponder check even for VFR. I suspect he's close enough
to the class B to require it.

If he's in Class B, he's definitely screwed without a transponder.

However, it's not broken -- he's missing a piece of paperwork. If the thing
is working (and, as I said, ATC will let you know if something is amiss),
make an appointment to get the thing checked, and go fly.

A transponder is hardly a flight-critical instrument.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:dmM2c.79638$ko6.426325@attbi_s02...

However, it's not broken -- he's missing a piece of paperwork. If the thing
is working (and, as I said, ATC will let you know if something is amiss),
make an appointment to get the thing checked, and go fly.


Gee Jay, a plane that is out of annual isn't broken either, it's just missing
paperwork.... where do you draw the line?

Gee Jay, a plane that is out of annual isn't broken either, it's just
missing
paperwork.... where do you draw the line?

I consider an annual inspection to be a flight-critical safety procedure.

I consider a just-out-of-date 24 month transponder check on a VFR aircraft,
on a VFR day, to be an absurd reason to ground a plane.

But then, around here I would just turn the damned thing off. He
apparently doesn't have that option.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
If he's in Class B, he's definitely screwed without a transponder.
However, it's not broken -- he's missing a piece of paperwork. If the thing
is working (and, as I said, ATC will let you know if something is amiss),
make an appointment to get the thing checked, and go fly.
A transponder is hardly a flight-critical instrument.

The Regs allow for operation within Class B without a transponder,
working or absent. Even under the Veil!

john smith wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:

If he's in Class B, he's definitely screwed without a transponder.
However, it's not broken -- he's missing a piece of paperwork. If the
thing
is working (and, as I said, ATC will let you know if something is amiss),
make an appointment to get the thing checked, and go fly.
A transponder is hardly a flight-critical instrument.

The Regs allow for operation within Class B without a transponder,
working or absent. Even under the Veil!

I frequently fly in and out of several airports within the KCVG CBSA
(Cincinnati) veil in a 1945 Aeronca Champ with no electrical system. I
also flew into controlled fields beneath the KATL CBAS enroute to and
from SNF last year. A transponder is not a "safety of flight" device.