Alien Attack Described By Werner Von Braun's CoWorker

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:55:02 +0000, Bert wrote:

In
Eunometic wrote:

The bombardment of London by the V2 was morally the same as 1942 Bomber
Commands area bombardment and dehousing campaign directed against
residential areas of cities often of negligible strategic value such as
Rostok or Lubek.

You're still a little upset about the way the war came out, aren't you?

Yeah. Their war crimes were EVIL. Our war crimes were GOOD!

Complex is a good description of von Braun. Read the definitive
biograply, Michael Neufeld's Werhner von Braun: Dreamer of Space,
Engineer of War. I don't mean to excuse anything he did or was
involved in. I'm just saying Neufeld's exhaustively researched bio
goes into depth I could barely touch on in my 2004 book The First
Space Race.
The Nazi secret government - UFO thing... hmmm.. Don't you think it
might mean a little more if there was a fractions of a shred of
evidence besides attributed statements floating on the Web?

Matt

On Oct 10, 3:22 am, Eunometic wrote:

It required on 4000 hours to build the V2 missile, much less than a
single engined fighter with engine such as an Me 109.
It's more economical than that, as the V2's were built by expendable
slave labour, whereas the forced labour used in aircraft production
was treated relatively benignly.

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On Oct 9, 8:08 am, Bert wrote:

wrote:

Werner Von Braun the Father of Rocket Science

You've read his biography, haven't you?

"I Aim For the Stars (but sometimes I hit London)"

Of course this comes from the lyrics of a left wing jewish satirist
pushing his own agenda.

Seems the truth hurts, especially when it is made into jokes.

The Mel Brooks approach strikes again.

Do you think he might have satirised Jewish Partisans who on more than
one occaision slaughtered entire Polish villages: atrocities several
times worse than Oradour-sur-Glane.
The murderous Bielski brothers are celebrated as heroes but were war
criminals.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...e-during-wwii/

Ah yes a "white culture" web site. Eunometic keeps using
such sites as sources.

Shall we say a more reliable source is required?

And yes, partisan war is rather dirty.

And of course the Germans managed to destroy thousands of
villages, so that was the template.

The bombardment of London by the V2 was morally the same as 1942
Bomber Commands area bombardment and dehousing campaign directed
against residential areas of cities often of negligible strategic
value such as Rostok or Lubek.

It is well established the V-2s were doing attacks similar to manned
bombers and the WWII bombers were building on the WWI attempts
at strategic bombing. However Eunometic cannot actually compare
like with like, the German areas have to be declared as negligible,
rather than real places with real industry.

Ah yes, the Eunometic definition of negligible. Ignore Lubeck was
a port with ship building and had a chemical industry. The pre war
population was about 130,000.

Raid of 28/29 March 1942, 400 tons of bombs, about two thirds
incendiary, aimed at the centre of the old city, narrow streets, half
timbered construction. Either 312 or 320 people killed, 1,425
buildings destroyed, 1,976 seriously damaged, 8,411 lightly
damaged, about two thirds the city's buildings. In the destroyed
or seriously damaged category were some outstanding cultural
structures and 256 industrial or commercial ones. The Draeger
work building, making oxygen equipment for U-boats was one
of the destroyed.

In Bomber Command's terms 130 acres of built up area, 30%
of the city area, destroyed.

An agreement to use the port for Red Cross supplies spared it
any further large raids.

Think He111, think Heinkel, think Rostock. Think 1,337 He111
in 1942, and another 1,408 in 1943. Think only about 25% of
Germany's twin engined bomber production.

Rostock/Warnemunde, pre war population about 93,500.
A Baltic port. Four RAF raids in the April 1942 sequence.

23/24 April, 143 bombers to carry out a Lubeck type raid,
plus 18 to the Heinkel factory.

24/25 April, 91 bombers to the town, 34 to the Heinkel factory.

25/26 April, 110 bombers to the town, 18 to the Heinkel factory.
This raid finally did hit the Heinkel works.

26/27 April, 106 or 109 bombers, split almost evenly between
the town and the Heinkel factory. The RAF Official History
describes this raid as a masterpiece.

The overall results of the four raids were 204 killed, 89 injured,
low because much of the population made the sensible decision
to leave early in the raid sequence. Some 1,765 buildings
destroyed, 513 seriously damaged. Bomber Command's
assessment 130 acres destroyed, about 60% of the city area.

The Heinkel program suffered the loss of approximately one
months production, main assembly hall severely damaged, some
50 aircraft in states from completed to being built were destroyed
or severely damaged.

The Niedersachsen air raid area reported the majority of the
factories in its area were more or less severely damaged.

By the way the 1/2 October 1942 raid hit the Arado works at
Rostock.

These details have been given before, Eunometic could look them
up but instead simply writes fiction about them.

The Germans used terror raid for the first time in describing the
results. This seems to stem more from the fact the target was
hit four nights in a row.

If the above two port towns have not enough industry and so
should not be heavily attacked then places like Liverpool should
not have been heavily attacked.

The 8th Air Force first bombed Rostock as part of "Big Week"
in February 1944, 138 bombers credited with attacking the port
and industrial area. Four days later on the 24th it was 236
bombers on the same targets.

There were further raids in April and August 1944. Interesting
effort if the place had such little industry.

The accuracy of H2S 3cm was atrocious: about 5km.

The USSBS noted in total could cover for 4 months of 1944
the 8th Air Force using H2X managed to put around 40%
of bombs dropped within 3 miles of the target. H2X was
used in conditions ranging from 4/10 to total cloud cover,
in 4 or 5/10 cloud it was 48.5% of bombs within 1 mile
of the target, 89.1% within 3 miles.

As usual with Eunometic the non German devices are measured
at their worst, and this is announced as normal accuracy.

The V-2 accuracy against London was around 12 km, half due
to the deception, so V-2 accuracy to use the language above
was worse than atrocious. That is unacceptable to Eunometic
so stand by for the E-2.

A system working like Oboe but using transmitters orbiting
at height to extend the range of Oboe was never proceded with despite
its simpliticity.

Actually it was but at the experimental stage, H2S was preferred
in 1943 and early 1944, given the limits on the number of aircraft
that could be Oboe controlled at one time.

The V2's guidance system had not been perfected however the “voll-
zirkel” or “wireless canon barrel” beam riding system was to have an
accuracy of 0.05 degrees with engine velocity cut-off controlled by
both Doppler speed and down range distance for a theoretical accuracy
of better than 500m (excluding wind drift on re-entry)

Now we are looking at the E-2, not to be confused with the WWII V-2.
The E-2 has a precision modern militaries want, but cannot achieve since
non Germans are doing the development. The E(Eunometic)-2 has
various guidance systems not used, or paper projects and their accuracy
is reported in the most optimistic manner, to put it mildly.

The system ran into difficulties with ground wave interference for the
elevation portion of the guidance and had to be re-engineered for
higher frequencies and compensating techniques and so missed the war.

The E-2 is another Eunometic war winning wonder weapon,
available sooner but usually much later after the war has finished.
But it would have won the war if it had been there, or at the
very least been decades ahead of anything non German.

It required on 4000 hours to build the V2 missile, much less than a
single engined fighter with engine such as an Me 109.

Actually the 4,000 man hours seems to be an incomplete V-2, which
is being compared to a complete fighter. And in any case these
figures change as mass production cuts costs.

Meantime the V-2 when fired came in at around 13 tons, of which
1 ton was warhead.

The winged version, the A9 (or A4b) could have attacked Britain from
bases in Germany with an accuracy of 180m.

2 winged V-2 versions launched, 1 failed, the other shed part of its wings
on re-entry. And yes the 180 metres is an E-2, not a V-2.

Werener von Braun accelerated mankinds expansion into space by about
10 years, (so did Albert Speer who supplied the funds)

Apparently it was all one man, not a major research team, plus various
forced workers at Peenemunde and other sites.

von Braun when he secured German Army funding for the missile promised
to produce a missile with an absolute accuracy of 300m. He just
missed out, by a few months, on achieving close to that as he was
forced to place the V2 in production ahead of schedule.

You see the average accuracy of the V-2 was more like 20 times
the 300 metre figure, hence the need to announce do not look at the
results, look at what optimistic theory says would be the next results.

It looks like V-2 accuracy against London was 12 km as the overall
result, 6 km if you factor out the deception program.

The remarkable fact is if the accuracy of the (E)V-2 was as good as
claimed then with Antwerp being the target of 1,610 V2s and 8,696
V1s then the port should not have even existed in 1945.

After all Antwerp spent most of that time on the front line, a point
blank target. The US army alone was moving around half a
million tons of cargo through the port each month, expanding as
the war went on.

And Eunometic has a flexible definition of time, German advances
take minimal E time, and turn out even better. Non German
advances are a contradiction in terms, time does not really come
into it.

He was
building an accurate precise weapon whose collateral damage would have
been less than most WW2 level bombers.

This is of course the E-2, versus the 8th Air Force flying in total
cloud cover. It should not be confused with the V-2 and WWII
bomber performance.

Like many men he was compelled
to compromise; he certainly was not the first to mack such a choice
but rather one of the last.

My but such rhetoric, you sort of wonder how much individual
compromise went into the Soviet weapons programs and the
ongoing North Korean etc. ones.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:23:46 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:

Eunometic wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:08 am, Bert wrote:

wrote:

Werner Von Braun the Father of Rocket Science

You've read his biography, haven't you?

"I Aim For the Stars (but sometimes I hit London)"

Of course this comes from the lyrics of a left wing jewish satirist
pushing his own agenda.

Do you think he might have satirised Jewish Partisans who on more than
one occaision slaughtered entire Polish villages: atrocities several
times worse than Oradour-sur-Glane.
The murderous Bielski brothers are celebrated as heroes but were war
criminals.

Reality check

Unless you are here to suck my cock, get the **** out of MY newsgroup.

*YOUR* newsgroups?

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:09:53 -0700 (PDT), Matt wrote:

Complex is a good description of von Braun. Read the definitive
biograply, Michael Neufeld's Werhner von Braun: Dreamer of Space,
Engineer of War. I don't mean to excuse anything he did or was
involved in. I'm just saying Neufeld's exhaustively researched bio
goes into depth I could barely touch on in my 2004 book The First
Space Race.

Think of what is known about WvB. Then think about the deep secret
negotiations that must have embroiled his life. We will never know the
true WvB.

The Nazi secret government - UFO thing... hmmm.. Don't you think it
might mean a little more if there was a fractions of a shred of
evidence besides attributed statements floating on the Web?

I believe there is.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:46:37 -0500, Dan wrote:

So Sturmbannführer von Braun had nothing better to do in the last 6
months before his death to babble such nonsense? He became a good Nazi
16 June 1977.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Nazi homosexual

Cite please and I don't mean you're penchant for sucking German
wienerschitzels.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:00:08 -0400, Sky Rider wrote:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:23:46 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:

Eunometic wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:08 am, Bert wrote:

wrote:

Werner Von Braun the Father of Rocket Science

You've read his biography, haven't you?

"I Aim For the Stars (but sometimes I hit London)"

Of course this comes from the lyrics of a left wing jewish satirist
pushing his own agenda.

Do you think he might have satirised Jewish Partisans who on more than
one occaision slaughtered entire Polish villages: atrocities several
times worse than Oradour-sur-Glane.
The murderous Bielski brothers are celebrated as heroes but were war
criminals.

Reality check

Unless you are here to suck my cock, get the **** out of MY newsgroup.

*YOUR* newsgroups?

Speaking of a "reality check"...

SNIP hype.
As for entire Polish villages being destroyed we know
who actually did that. Bottom line it was kill Nazis
or die, they chose to kill Nazis.


They, Jewish partisans (or communist partisans mostly the same thing)
killed White Polish Catholic villagers who weren't exactly Nazi or pro-
German. It was murder, it was a war crime. It was racial.

It wasn't the Nazi's that did that.

On 10/10/2011 10:59 PM, Eunometic wrote:
SNIP hype.
As for entire Polish villages being destroyed we know
who actually did that. Bottom line it was kill Nazis
or die, they chose to kill Nazis.


They, Jewish partisans (or communist partisans mostly the same thing)
killed White Polish Catholic villagers who weren't exactly Nazi or pro-
German. It was murder, it was a war crime. It was racial.

It wasn't the Nazi's that did that.

Does that excuse all the slaughter of unarmed civilians and Soviet
POW? I know you are anti Semitic, but do try to keep things in perspective.

Partisan wars are similar to civil wars in the sense of neigbours
killing neighbours. Excesses occur on all sides. I am not excusing what
Jewish partisans did, but they did have most of the local population,
the Nazis and pro Soviet partisans determined to wipe them out. What
would YOU have done in their situation?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired