Who is responsible?

On Oct 18, 7:57*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
* * (choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
*I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

I got to thinking about the safety responsibility issue, so I started
asking a few people. Got several of the above optipns, but the best
one was, "My husband, Jim",

Food for thought,
JJ

L. We are responsible for ourselves.

Flight manuals, military tech orders, have Notes, Cautions and
Warnings.
Notes are for information,
Cautions are to protect the airplane or components from breakage.
Warnings are to protect people, so you don't kill yourself or others.

We are told most cautions or warnings are there because someone broke
something or someone was hurt or killed.

Local rules at hang glider areas are there to protect the individual,
but also the group. And also to keep the area open to hang gliding.
Too many injuries or deaths that locals have to respond to bring in
outside intervention.

Same thing for glider club rules at airports, public or private. To
protect the individual and the group.
Besides, I'd rather be flying, then spending my time picking up broken
bodies and airplanes, and telling their families how we could not keep
their jerk of a relative safe.

T

On Oct 18, 7:57*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
* * (choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
*I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

I got to thinking about the safety responsibility issue, so I started
asking a few people. Got several of the above optipns, but the best
one was, "My husband, Jim",

Food for thought,
JJ

It's all between a person's ears. Neuroscientists look at these sorts
of things. A recent article in Nature Neuroscience and also in
Science News Online, entitled "A mind for optimism - Reality checks
affect judgment more when prospects are rosier", discusses the concept
from scientists' viewpoints, with "data that suggests that brains with
sunny outlooks are particularly immune to undesirable
information" (such as you might get killed in a glider if you have
certain habits... resulting in the" It will never happen to me"
syndrome).

The article can be found at: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene...d_for_optimism.
Pilots can debate safety ad nausium, but people are pretty much gonna
do what they are gonna do, whatever we say. Regardless, most of us
will continue to try to change others' habits towards being safer. It
would appear that so far this year too many glider pilots have had too
much optimism.

More food for thought.
Bob T.

Originally Posted by Bob

On Oct 18, 7:57*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
JJ

It's all between a person's ears. Neuroscientists look at these sorts
of things. A recent article in Nature Neuroscience and also in
Science News Online, entitled "A mind for optimism - Reality checks
affect judgment more when prospects are rosier", discusses the concept
from scientists' viewpoints, with "data that suggests that brains with
sunny outlooks are particularly immune to undesirable
information" (such as you might get killed in a glider if you have
certain habits... resulting in the" It will never happen to me"
syndrome).

The article can be found at: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene...d_for_optimism.
Pilots can debate safety ad nausium, but people are pretty much gonna
do what they are gonna do, whatever we say. Regardless, most of us
will continue to try to change others' habits towards being safer. It
would appear that so far this year too many glider pilots have had too
much optimism.

More food for thought.
Bob T.

Safety...

It is a personal thing. I think it's obvious everyone here knows they are responsible for their own safety. But it took my kids for me to realize something--everyone sees or interprets things differently.

My son, when he was 18 months, liked to go down a very tall slide. So I would walk behind him as he went up the stairs to the top, then go down behind him. He would get a secure death grip with one hand, then move one foot, then new secure death grip with next hand, then next foot, etc. When he got older, same play ground, he'd cross the swinging bridge with both hands on the ropes-one of each side-walking along hand over hand as he moved across--not afraid, just safe.

My Daughter comes along two years later. Same park. She goes up the slide at 18 months too, fast, in my mind heedless of danger, moving hands and feet together, sometimes not even holding on. When older and she gets to the swinging bridge, she runs right across, no hands...

Same issues when they got to driving--Son, cautious, careful, double checks, takes his time. Daughter-zoom, bye Dad.

They're both responsible for their own safety, I raised independent kids. Both assess risk, safety needs differently. I need to add nothing to my Son--sometimes I tell him not to be so careful... My Daughter I have to admonish, warn, make her do the right thing.

Both are optimists, both honor grads and college students 3.0+, both pleasant, both hard workers.

If both were to fly, I'd have no worries about my son. My Daughter? I'd hope someone on the field would also be looking out for her safety. Ensuring she was thorough and removed a tail dolly, or locked the cockpit, having someone else mention maybe she shouldn't try a low pass just yet...

Prior to my kids I would have thought everyone knew they were responsible for their own safety, and would be safety concious. My son is like me. My daughter isn't. She's responsible for her own safety, her risk tolerance and care level is lower than I'd like. So safety does fall on all of us to pitch in as well, to do what we can, to recognize there are people who don't see some things as risky, that don't perceive the potential dangers to themselves of their actions--for whatever reason they are wired differently.

But that's just my nickle on the grass for the rest of you.

(L) please.

This is why it is called "Pilot In Command"

The other people/agencies/societies are there to protect the community
from the rogue PICs out there and to hopefully give us all an additional
helping hand.

On 18/10/2011 17:57, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
(choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

I got to thinking about the safety responsibility issue, so I started
asking a few people. Got several of the above optipns, but the best
one was, "My husband, Jim",

Food for thought,
JJ

On Oct 18, 7:57*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
* * (choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
*I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

I got to thinking about the safety responsibility issue, so I started
asking a few people. Got several of the above optipns, but the best
one was, "My husband, Jim",

Food for thought,
JJ

Obviously Federal, State and local government and all the voters that
put our government into office since they are telling us how to live,
what to eat, see, feel and breathe. The list goes on.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:57:07 -0700 (PDT), JJ Sinclair
wrote:

Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
(choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

The answer to that question is only useful for one thing: Helping your
estate win the lawsuit after you're dead.

The more meaningful question is "Whom do I TRUST with my safety?"

rj

On Oct 18, 7:57*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
* * (choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
*I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

I got to thinking about the safety responsibility issue, so I started
asking a few people. Got several of the above optipns, but the best
one was, "My husband, Jim",

Food for thought,
JJ

There is one that you left off: the glider manufacturer. And not just
for the original production, but also for on-going airworthiness.

And I actually find myself depending upon the FAA since I installed a
transponder, although I trust the heavy iron TCAS somewhat more.

Tom

It's a trick question - the answer is really "all of the above, plus
others".

The pilot clearly has the majority of the safety responsibility, but
he couldn't be safe no matter how hard he tried unless others
participated as well. As an illustration, consider the designer of the
aircraft, the unknown craftsmen who made it, the test pilot who
explored its flight envelope, the A&P who inspected it, the aerotow
pilot who launched the flight, and the flight instructors that taught
the pilot his skills. JJ's list adds the regulatory side of flight,
people who also contribute to safety no matter how much we mock them.
As John Donne said, "no man is an island", and a pilot exemplifies
that saying.

One thing I always keep in mind while flying is that it isn't a
natural thing for us humans. We're airborne courtesy of a lot of smart
people who developed some wonderful machines. But engineering
compromises and uncommon aerial situations exist - we always need to
be wary, as Ernest K. Gann said. I know that I fly wary, because
unlike when I'm driving to work, I can remember every second of a
flight after I land. That's a good thing, because there's always
something to be learned that will help make me a better pilot, even
after a good flight.

-John

On Oct 18, 10:57 am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
Who is primarily responsible for my safety?
(choose one)
A. My supervisor
B. My boss
C. My club
D. My FBO
E. Contest Director
F. Contest Manager
G. Rules Committee
H. Soaring Society of America
I. Soaring Safety Foundation
J. FAA
K. NTSB
L. Me

I got to thinking about the safety responsibility issue, so I started
asking a few people. Got several of the above optipns, but the best
one was, "My husband, Jim",

Food for thought,
JJ

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