THIS is the cockpit display tech we need

On Nov 15, 5:17*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa wrote:

On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D wrote:

Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
ablets to cell phones.

I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
is an advantage. No need to wait...
John Cochrane

The Craggy Aero Ultimate Le offers a totally sunlight readable 6.4"
diagonal display and it runs popular software, SeeYou, StrePla,
LK8000.

Power draw at full backlight 800 mAmps

http://www.craggyaero.com/ultimate_le.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Nov 15, 6:17*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:
On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa wrote:

On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D wrote:

Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
tablets to cell phones.

I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
is an advantage. No need to wait...
John Cochrane

Don't think so.

Current engineering specs say 1500 nits brightness is required for
'good' readability in direct sunlight. CCFL's backlights delivering
that brightness would pull amps, not mili-amps. LED backlights are
better but current draw and heating are still problems. If you did
somehow create a screen with 1500 nits brightness, it would be like
looking into a car headlight.

I can't find the specs, but I'm guessing the best glider displays are
in the 500 - 1000 nit brightness range and pull around .8 amps.

Far easier on the eyes and battery would be a high-contrast, high
color saturation REFLECTIVE display like the Mirasol technology.

On Nov 16, 11:44*am, Bill D wrote:
On Nov 15, 6:17*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:

On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa wrote:

On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D wrote:

Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
tablets to cell phones.

I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
is an advantage. No need to wait...
John Cochrane

Don't think so.

Current engineering specs say 1500 nits brightness is required for
'good' readability in direct sunlight. *CCFL's backlights delivering
that brightness would pull amps, not mili-amps. *LED backlights are
better but current draw and heating are still problems. *If you did
somehow create a screen with 1500 nits brightness, it would be like
looking into a car headlight.

I can't find the specs, but I'm guessing the best glider displays are
in the 500 - 1000 nit brightness range and pull around .8 amps.

Far easier on the eyes and battery would be a high-contrast, high
color saturation REFLECTIVE display like the Mirasol technology.

I have no experience with competing displays so can't speak for them,
but have flown ClearNav for three seasons and it is as "sunlight-
readable" as it needs to be.
No problem viewing it on bright days while wearing sunglasses. My
problem is fine print in any light condition so I keep glasses handy
for that, but if you set it up correctly before flight there is little
need to read fine print. No need to flip through multiple pages,
either. Control inputs are through a simple controller that you don't
have to look at to use - particularly if it's mounted on the stick.
Power management is built into the system so that isn't a problem.

On Nov 16, 8:44*am, Bill D wrote:
On Nov 15, 6:17*pm, John Cochrane
wrote:

On Nov 15, 3:57*pm, JohnDeRosa wrote:

On Nov 15, 10:54*am, Bill D wrote:

Qualcom's Mirasol display looks like a magazine cover in direct sunlight.

And at 1/10th the power requirements. *Important for gliders but this
will also really impact battery life for everything from laptops,
tablets to cell phones.

I hate to break it to you guys, but there is a gorgeous sunlight
readable display on the market, the clear-nav. SN10 is pretty easy to
read too, but offers less stuff on the screen, which Dave might argue
is an advantage. No need to wait...
John Cochrane

Don't think so.

Current engineering specs say 1500 nits brightness is required for
'good' readability in direct sunlight. *CCFL's backlights delivering
that brightness would pull amps, not mili-amps. *LED backlights are
better but current draw and heating are still problems. *If you did
somehow create a screen with 1500 nits brightness, it would be like
looking into a car headlight.

I can't find the specs, but I'm guessing the best glider displays are
in the 500 - 1000 nit brightness range and pull around .8 amps.

Far easier on the eyes and battery would be a high-contrast, high
color saturation REFLECTIVE display like the Mirasol technology.

Bill,

I am not sure where you got your engineering specifications. But I
have found that display brightness in an aircraft quality display has
little to do with sunlight readability. The key factors are the
coatings and the contrast ratio. The Ultimate Le has two specialized
coatings and an extremely high contrast ratio, it is as readable in
the sun at the low backlight settings as in the high backlight. The
sun has no noticable effect on the Ultimate Le display. The Ultimate
Le with LED backlight has no heat problems. In fact the first
Ultimates with a CFFL backlight got warm but did not have any issues.

Displays with low contrast ratios need unusaully high backlight to be
seen. This is typical of most low cost low qualtiy displays.

The Ultimate Le at full backlight has 1400 nits and draws about .7
to .8 Amps. At lower backlight settings of .3 to .4 amps the
display is very sunlight viewable with vibrant colors.

All the above information comes from testing in direct sunlight from a
varitey of angles and first hand experience in flight.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...Kyobo-e-reader

OK, is it possible to get one ?
Hacked to run Android ?

I don't know about getting one. However, I understand this technology
is great for an Ebook with basically static page displays, but screen
updates are very slow. It wouldn't work well with continuously updated
moving map displays.


On Dec 7, 8:18*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...m-MEMS-display...

OK, is it possible to get one ?
Hacked to run Android ?

I suspect you may be confusing E-Ink with Qualcom's Mirasol display.
E-Ink is slow but Mirasol is easily fast enough to display video in
vibrant color.

As for getting one, there are grey market sources if you want it right
now but I expect to see a device like it on sale world-wide soon.
Most e-readers have proven vulnerable to rooting so Android is
potentially doable. I suspect a Windows 8 tablet with the technology
will be available in 2012.

On Dec 7, 6:57*pm, cfinn wrote:
I don't know about getting one. However, I understand this technology
is great for an Ebook with basically static page displays, but screen
updates are very slow. It wouldn't work well with continuously updated
moving map displays.

On Dec 7, 8:18*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:







http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...m-MEMS-display...

OK, is it possible to get one ?
Hacked to run Android ?

Perhaps this device has potential -
http://www.slashgear.com/kyobo-eread...roid-21196809/

Day light readable 5.7 inch Mirasol and runs Android 2.3

That's the one I posted yesterday ;-)

Another Mirasol spotting, unclear if available in the west:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-n...mirasol-displa