Which plane for 5 small pax?

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
If you plan on flying Part 91, there is no requirement for each passenger
to
have their own seatbelt.

As stupid as it sounds, you could wrap your 3 kids in one seatbelt.

Don't get me wrong, I'd never recommend it, but it was brought up to me by
a
DE on my CFII oral.

Is it actually unsafe to have two people sitting side-by-side and sharing a
seat belt, if their combined weight is within the belt's design limit? (I
don't know; just asking.)

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:0pRSc.137433$eM2.73403@attbi_s51...

Is it actually unsafe to have two people sitting side-by-side and sharing
a
seat belt, if their combined weight is within the belt's design limit? (I
don't know; just asking.)

Piper did it for years.

Rich S.

"Rich S." wrote in message
...
Piper did it for years.

Didn't Bell helicopters do it with their bench seat?

(b) Each forward-facing or aft-facing seat/restraint system in normal,
utility, or acrobatic category airplanes must consist of a seat, a safety
belt, and a shoulder harness, with a metal-to-metal latching device, that
are designed to provide the occupant protection provisions required in
§23.562.

Sounds like you need a safety belt for each seat and the word occupant is
singular.

--
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
EAA Sport Pilot

"Rich S." wrote in message
...
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:0pRSc.137433$eM2.73403@attbi_s51...

Is it actually unsafe to have two people sitting side-by-side and
sharing
a
seat belt, if their combined weight is within the belt's design limit?
(I
don't know; just asking.)

Piper did it for years.

Rich S.

"Cy Galley" wrote in message
news:soUSc.138373$eM2.57714@attbi_s51...
(b) Each forward-facing or aft-facing seat/restraint system in normal,
utility, or acrobatic category airplanes must consist of a seat, a safety
belt, and a shoulder harness, with a metal-to-metal latching device, that
are designed to provide the occupant protection provisions required in
§23.562.

Sounds like you need a safety belt for each seat and the word occupant is
singular.

I think that parses as "the occupant-protection provisions", referring to a
generic occupant.

(See my reply to Newps in this thread for the legal opinion cited by the
Boston FSDO.)

--Gary



--
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
EAA Sport Pilot

"Jim Burns" writes:

If you plan on flying Part 91, there is no requirement for each passenger to
have their own seatbelt.

Hmmm...I recently got a card for an STC to stick three people in
the back of my Aztec. I'm just Part 91 so I wonder what good the
STC would do?

--kyler

Someone metioned 'Rental' in one of the replies. Since I started flying
regularly I have decided I do not want to make a habit of taking my entire
family along on flights every weekend. It's suprising how many of my pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing.

On the rare occassions when I need to carry my entire family, I can rent a
Cherokee Six. The rest of the time it just me and a friend or two
travelling by Archer.

Regards,
Mike

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/amountainaero/fspic1.html
"Kyler Laird" wrote in message
...
"Jim Burns" writes:

If you plan on flying Part 91, there is no requirement for each passenger
to
have their own seatbelt.

Hmmm...I recently got a card for an STC to stick three people in
the back of my Aztec. I'm just Part 91 so I wonder what good the
STC would do?

--kyler

"Mike Noel" wrote in message
...
Someone metioned 'Rental' in one of the replies. Since I started flying
regularly I have decided I do not want to make a habit of taking my entire
family along on flights every weekend. It's suprising how many of my
pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing.


That was my thought when I posted. I should have explained more. I have
friends that bought larger aircraft only to realize that they usually fly
solo or with a single passenger. Buying small and renting big could be
money ahead.

Mike,

It's suprising how many of my pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing.


Hmm, than you must have a statistically highly unlikely combination of
friends. Engine failures are EXTREMELY rare events and even rarer as the
cause of fatal accidents.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Engine failures are not rare with piston aircraft engines. I know a pilot
with 16 failures in Beach 18s alone and I read somewhere that about 10% of
Malibus have had partial or total engine failures.

Mike
MU-2

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Mike,

It's suprising how many of my pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced
landing.


Hmm, than you must have a statistically highly unlikely combination of
friends. Engine failures are EXTREMELY rare events and even rarer as the
cause of fatal accidents.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)