Boeing to cease 757 production

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:06:23 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
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"Ralph Snart" wrote in message
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Yet another reason that business is leaving America - increasingly
stringent enviromental regulations, increasinly complex goverment
regulations, increasingly excessive taxes; when the business leaves,
those
jobs are gone...forever.


You should stop listening to so much talk radio.


Actually, I believe I heard that Boeing wings (model(s)?) are
currently manufactured in Japan, and Boeing plans to outsource wings
and other parts for future models abroad. The reduced labor cost in
foreign countries probably more than cover shipping costs. How else
do you explain the recent jump in manufacturing, and continued
increase in unemployment?


This guy (Mike) accuses me of listening to too much talk radio, but he
sounds just like Rush Limbaugh. I wonder if Rush slipped him a few
narcs......

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:06:23 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
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"Ralph Snart" wrote in message
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Yet another reason that business is leaving America - increasingly
stringent enviromental regulations, increasinly complex goverment
regulations, increasingly excessive taxes; when the business leaves,
those
jobs are gone...forever.


You should stop listening to so much talk radio.


Actually, I believe I heard that Boeing wings (model(s)?) are
currently manufactured in Japan, and Boeing plans to outsource wings
and other parts for future models abroad. The reduced labor cost in
foreign countries probably more than cover shipping costs. How else
do you explain the recent jump in manufacturing, and continued
increase in unemployment?


This guy (Mike) accuses me of listening to too much talk radio, but he
sounds just like Rush Limbaugh. I wonder if Rush slipped him a few
narcs......


I know Mr. Rapoport to be reasonable, knowledgeable, and business
savvy. Let's give him an opportunity to reveal his rationale before
passing judgement.


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Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

Lower cost labor and/or outsourcing to secure orders (Japan). Not
enviornmental regulation, that's for sure.

Mike
MU-2


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:06:23 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
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"Ralph Snart" wrote in message
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Yet another reason that business is leaving America - increasingly
stringent enviromental regulations, increasinly complex goverment
regulations, increasingly excessive taxes; when the business leaves,
those
jobs are gone...forever.


You should stop listening to so much talk radio.


Actually, I believe I heard that Boeing wings (model(s)?) are
currently manufactured in Japan, and Boeing plans to outsource wings
and other parts for future models abroad. The reduced labor cost in
foreign countries probably more than cover shipping costs. How else
do you explain the recent jump in manufacturing, and continued
increase in unemployment?


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Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

It is (almost) all about labor cost. Basically, if someone else has your
job skills and is willing to do your job for 20% of what you are being paid,
then they will have your job soon. No amount of moaning, howling or finger
pointing is going to change that. Not losing ones job to a foreign worker
has nothing to do with luck, it has to do with having skills that are not
easily replicated or having a job that is not easily portable.

Mike
MU-2


"Ralph Snart" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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"Ralph Snart" wrote in message
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Yet another reason that business is leaving America - increasingly
stringent enviromental regulations, increasinly complex goverment
regulations, increasingly excessive taxes; when the business leaves,
those
jobs are gone...forever.


You should stop listening to so much talk radio.

Mike
MU-2

Just what did I state that is incorrect?

BTW, has NAFTA, GATT and other 'free trade' laws cause you to lose
your job? If not, you one of the lucky ones. Speak to the many from HP,
SISCO, Nike, Microsoft, Levi Strauss, etc whose jobs are now overseas.
They
would say that YOU need to listen to talk radio.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Lower cost labor and/or outsourcing to secure orders (Japan). Not
enviornmental regulation, that's for sure.

Bull! EPA regs cost US business something like $300 bbbbillion a year in
additional overhead. Other regs (OSHA, and the endless list) account for
over $800 BILLION. Try competing with that hanging over your economy.

ADDENDUM/CORRECTION

"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Lower cost labor and/or outsourcing to secure orders (Japan). Not
enviornmental regulation, that's for sure.

Bull! EPA regs cost US business something like $300 bbbbillion a year in
additional overhead. Other regs (OSHA, and the endless list) account for
over $800 BILLION

....of which a huge portion is higher labor costs. Try competing with that
hanging over your economy.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:52:05 -0700, "Tom S." wrote
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Bull! EPA regs cost US business something like $300 bbbbillion a year in
additional overhead. Other regs (OSHA, and the endless list) account for
over $800 BILLION. Try competing with that hanging over your economy.

Try breathing the thickly smog polluted air in Mexico City, where
automobile exhaust emission controls are nonexistent. The choice is
yours: environmental responsibility or early respiratory related
death.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...3?img_id=10260
http://www.mexicoautotravel.com/articles/mexcity.asp
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/americas/9805/29/mexico.fires/
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Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

What is the cost to society of not having the regs? If we don't dontrol
emissions then we have either health problems or a cleanup done by the
government either of which is more expensive than controlling the source
pollution source.

Mike
MU-2


"Tom S." wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Lower cost labor and/or outsourcing to secure orders (Japan). Not
enviornmental regulation, that's for sure.

Bull! EPA regs cost US business something like $300 bbbbillion a year in
additional overhead. Other regs (OSHA, and the endless list) account for
over $800 BILLION. Try competing with that hanging over your economy.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:52:05 -0700, "Tom S." wrote
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Bull! EPA regs cost US business something like $300 bbbbillion a year in
additional overhead. Other regs (OSHA, and the endless list) account for
over $800 BILLION. Try competing with that hanging over your economy.

Try breathing the thickly smog polluted air in Mexico City, where
automobile exhaust emission controls are nonexistent. The choice is
yours: environmental responsibility or early respiratory related
death.


Which, I might add, is a cost to society.

Mike
MU-2



http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...3?img_id=10260
http://www.mexicoautotravel.com/articles/mexcity.asp
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/americas/9805/29/mexico.fires/
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Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

Jess

There have been many articles and discussions over the years about
Boeing going off shore to have their wings manufactured.

Feeling was that their (Boeing aircraft) performance parameters were
tied to the wing and the millions of dollars and hours spent designing
same could be lost (to the competition) if they were to be
manufactured overseas (out of house).

Will see if they send their advanced wings overseas.

Big John


On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:22:32 -0400, Jessica Gallagher
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David H wrote:

Personally, I believe they will commit to the 7E7, but it's anybody's guess
as to where they will build it. The company's leaders seems to take great
pleasure in bashing the Seattle area every chance they get, and if I had to
bet my lunch money on it, I probably wouldn't put my chips on the hometown,
even though that seems to make the most sense to me.

The local government figures have been attacking Boeing for years, and squeezing
them hard for every drop and cent every time Boeing wanted to do anything. They
certainly should not be the least bit surprised if Boeing decides it wants to do
major manufacturing elsewhere, in more hospitable territory. It also would not
be shocking to see the wings manufactured in Japan, where many orders may come
from. Moving the hq out of Washington should have been a huge wake up signal.