FAA KEEPS GRAPHICAL TFR PROMISE

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Recently, Larry Dighera posted:

I haven't used the graphical TFR web site enough to
form an opinion, but the resolution of the sectional
overlays isn't what you'd expect.

It is, if you recall your PP knowledge test... 8-)

Neil

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There's a difference between refresh and ctrl=refresh. Refresh gets a new
version onto your computer from the server, ctrl-refresh forces the server to
get a new version from the source.

Jose

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*****Send e-mail to: http://www.broaddaylight.com/******

That is not an email address and it links to some strange web site.


Karl
"Curator" N185KG

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:36:00 -0800, "karl gruber"
wrote:

*****Send e-mail to: http://www.broaddaylight.com/******

That is not an email address and it links to some strange web site.

You're right; that's not an e-mail address.

In fact, if you look at the Contact Us web page
http://www2.faa.gov/utilities/contactus.cfm, you'll see a link under
"E-mail" labeled: "Comments or Questions about the FAA web site."
Clicking that link takes you to the Frequently Asked Questions page,
which does not contain any e-mail addresses.

I find the lack of an e-mail address to which corrections to the FAA
TFR web site can be submitted, to border on subterfuge. Here is a
company, Broad Daylight, who are in the business of providing
web-based solutions, that fails to provide an e-mail address to
contact them about anomalies that appear in their work. Absurd and
arrogant IMO.

It would seem that the FAA has contracted with Broad Daylight, an
e-service software developer specializing in solutions for customer
and employee self-service, to produce/manage the TFR web site.
Further sleuthing reveals that Broad Daylight has been acquired by
Primus, who provide software solutions for assisted service and
Web-based self-service. Primus provides this e-mail address
for Web Inquires.

Unfortunately, I'm not where I can see to whom I addressed my e-mail
message, but likely a note addressed to would
reach the appropriate person.

Incidently, I have found that clicking the graphic under the "Zoom"
column on the http://tfr.faa.gov/TFR/jsp/list.jsp page produces a
map that displays a zoomed-out view of the locations of the TFRs in
any particular region.
http://tfr.faa.gov/TFR/jsp/tfrmap.jsp?action=layers&ims_service=tfr_conus&min x=-2260697.32978264&maxx=-1532616.39378124&miny=-669226.709384332&maxy=-155287.22514805&llatlong=on&lsua=on&lcity=on&lmsa= on&lroad=on&lap=on&lcenters=on
Checking all the "Map Layer" boxes, and updating the map reveals not
only the location of the TFRs, but all the SUA too. There sure is a
lot of it. But, the "Zoom In/Out" and "Get Info" buttons don't seem
to do anything yet.

The FAAs TFR web site still needs work. Perhaps the web master will
put his e-mail address on the site when it is further developed. As
it is, the lack of an e-mail address under the "E-mail" heading
appears more than just a little duplicitous.

The web page definitely looks more snazzier than the DUATS webpage,
but content-wise DUATS wins 1.75 hands down. Zoom in, out, scroll...
see other restrictions nearby and there is also a nice table layout
(with altitude!) at the bottom. True you can dig through the FAA site
and find similar features, but not all on one web page. Score one more
for the private sector.

-lance smith



Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
From AvWeb:

FAA KEEPS GRAPHICAL TFR PROMISE
A year after promising them, FAA Administrator Marion Blakey will
announce that real-time graphical depictions of current TFRs will be
available on the FAA Web site starting today.
http://tfr.faa.gov/TFR/jsp/list.jsp

On 7 Nov 2003 09:10:41 -0800, (lance smith)
wrote in Message-Id:
:

content-wise DUATS wins 1.75 hands down

Have you got a link to the DUATS page you mention?

Hi Larry,

You can find it at www.duats.com. It's free for all pilots
(registration required) and once you login G-TFR's will be second item
on the page.

-lance smith


Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
On 7 Nov 2003 09:10:41 -0800, (lance smith)
wrote in Message-Id:
:

content-wise DUATS wins 1.75 hands down

Have you got a link to the DUATS page you mention?

On 7 Nov 2003 17:27:48 -0800, (lance smith)
wrote in Message-Id:
:

You can find it at www.duats.com. It's free for all pilots
(registration required) and once you login G-TFR's will be second item
on the page.

The DUATS TFR system seems completely adequate. Thanks for the
information.

So now the FAA is funding 2 graphical TFR systems. It would be
interesting to know if the data presented by each agree. Perhaps they
have adaptational functionality planned for the new one.