JFK

Well, I'd rather have him lying to his wife than doing what Bush is doing.

mike regish

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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What does infidelity have to do with his legacy? Do you disdain
Franklin
Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Dwight Eisenhower as well? In fact, if you
run
down the founding fathers John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and
Alexander Hamilton have all been accused of being adulterers. Who cares?

I, for one, believe that any President should be held to the highest moral
standards, for one simple reason:

If the guy lies to his *wife*, what chance do you think WE have with him?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I just think that it speaks to the man's personal sense of honor. His
pledge to his wife in marriage was broken over and over - such a man has no
sense of honor - and...... what else with a man with no sense of personal
honor lie about? IMHO.

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"Michael 182" wrote in message
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What does infidelity have to do with his legacy? Do you disdain Franklin
Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Dwight Eisenhower as well? In fact, if you
run
down the founding fathers John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and
Alexander Hamilton have all been accused of being adulterers. Who cares?



"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote in message
om...
I normally wouldn't have replied to this thread, but when I saw your
post
it
made me smile.

I've never understood the reverence for JFK, his infidelity made Clinton
look like a abstinent monk. The actions in a similar vein half made me
dislike the clan more and more. Heck, a Kennedy can drown or even
murder
a
woman and still get off. They are reprehensible, certainly not worthy
of
reverence.

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Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

Check out my personal flying adventures: www.bayareapilot.com
"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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40 years ago today I was ferrying a F-89J from the Maine Air Guard
at
Bangor, ME to the Oregon Air Guard at Portland OR. Chugging along at
20K, keeping under the big jet stream blowing east, I was about 150
out of Oklahoma City, my next refueling stop, when ATC came up on
frequency and announced that President Kennedy had been shot in
Dallas
and was dead.

May he rest in peace.

Big John

40 years ago this week I was a young lad in England excitedly
waiting for the 2nd episode of Dr. Who on the BBC. Kennedy's
death and funeral changed all the schedules and delayed the
broadcast for a week. One week is an awfully long time to an
8-year-old.

I've harbored a simmering resentment of the Kennedy clan ever
since, and now vote against them and their Democrat friends
whenever I get the chance. Revenge is sweet.

--
Dr. Tony Cox
Citrus Controls Inc.
e-mail:
http://CitrusControls.com/

"Michael 182" wrote in message
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| What does infidelity have to do with his legacy?

Okay, what was his legacy?

"Profiles in Courage" was ghost written.

Almost everything he took credit for was actually the work of others.

He did claim to be a jelly donut (literal translation of "Ich bin ein
Berliner"), but the wall that went up on his watch came down on the hated
Reagan's watch.

Fidel still runs Cuba.

Laos went Communist anyway.

The Apollo program was good.

But, why are most of my memories of him playing touch football on the White
House lawn?

And why do so many historians regard him as one of the most corrupt
Presidents in history (possibly second only to LBJ)?

Really, the whole Kennedy mystique seems to be a product, not of the
Kennedys, but of Jacqueline.

You missed the point. I'm not arguing whether he was a good or bad
president. I'm just saying that his infidelity has nothing to do with his
political successes or failures. You make some good points regarding his
failures, and those are appropriate to measure hs career by, not his
personal life.


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Michael 182" wrote in message
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| What does infidelity have to do with his legacy?

Okay, what was his legacy?

"Profiles in Courage" was ghost written.

Almost everything he took credit for was actually the work of others.

He did claim to be a jelly donut (literal translation of "Ich bin ein
Berliner"), but the wall that went up on his watch came down on the hated
Reagan's watch.

Fidel still runs Cuba.

Laos went Communist anyway.

The Apollo program was good.

But, why are most of my memories of him playing touch football on the
White
House lawn?

And why do so many historians regard him as one of the most corrupt
Presidents in history (possibly second only to LBJ)?

Really, the whole Kennedy mystique seems to be a product, not of the
Kennedys, but of Jacqueline.

"C J Campbell" wrote:
And why do so many historians regard him as one of the most corrupt
Presidents in history (possibly second only to LBJ)?

Compared to Nixon, either one of those guys is a piker. Who are these
historians, AEI wonks?
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

C J Campbell wrote:


Fidel still runs Cuba.



Kennedy saw do it that Fidel was not shooting at the USA. The fact that
Fidel still runs Cuba is the cumulative product of his genes and 40
years of USA foreign policy by quite a few presidents other than Kennedy.

What is it with the US policy about Cuba anyway? Fidel has not been a
serious threat in years. Would not a little more openess have helped
the USA's image with the people-on-the-street in Cuba??

If you cut off Cuba, why not China?

("C J Campbell" wrote)
snip
He did claim to be a jelly donut (literal translation of "Ich bin ein
Berliner"), but the wall that went up on his watch came down on the hated
Reagan's watch.


Fall of The Wall was 1989 - Bush's watch.

Folks may have marched up to it on Reagan's watch, but it was Bush who was
on station when she toppled.

Nov 14, 1963 for JFK? Now this, the Fall of the Berlin Wall in the wrong
year - it's either that or it's the wrong prez for 1989.

People watch out for those dates in this thread. g

--
Montblack

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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He did claim to be a jelly donut (literal translation of "Ich bin ein
Berliner"), but the wall that went up on his watch came down on the hated
Reagan's watch.



I thought a "Berliner" was a type of sausage. Anyway, the picture
of an earnest JFK, waffling away in such seriousness, while the
locals tittered and guffawed must be the highpoint of his entire
presidency. Wish I'd been there.

--
Dr. Tony Cox
Citrus Controls Inc.
e-mail:
http://CitrusControls.com/

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 11/14/03 6:01 PM:

He did claim to be a jelly donut (literal translation of "Ich bin ein
Berliner")

The editors of several Berlin newspapers would be surprised to hear that
(Berliner Morgenpost, Berliner Zeitung, etc.). Berliner refers to a resident
of Berlin, just as a Hamburger is a denizen of Hamburg and a Frankfurter
resides in Frankfurt. Generally, these words are only funny to non-Germans
who haven't the slightest idea what they're talking about.

"Michael 182" writes:

What does infidelity have to do with his legacy?

Not much of a legacy. He was only in office 3 years so didn't have
much time...Cuba was a disaster every way, after the nuke showdown
Cuba didn't have any missles BUT they had a promise of no invasion by
us. A win for the Soviets though I guess they didn't see it that way.

JFK simply didn't get much done. But he was studly and that's what
counts in the world.