Logging x/c time and definition of landing

"EDR" wrote in message
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Your round trip flight has been 240 nm, but you did not land anywhere
else.
Is this a cross country flight?

No, not for the purposes being asked about here (i.e. Part 61). A landing
is clearly stipulated in the regulations.

If you were at some point more than 50NM from your "home drome" then it's a
cross-country flight for the purposes of counting it towards an ATP
certificate.

So it is relevant to 14 CFR Part 61.

Mat

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"EDR" wrote in message
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Let's throw in another wrinkle...
Suppose you take off from the home drome, fly an hour in one direction,
look at something on the ground, turn around, fly back and land at the
home drome.
Your round trip flight has been 240 nm, but you did not land anywhere
else.
Is this a cross country flight?

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:eJzwb.6346$ML6.6187@fed1read01...
I did not notice the HNL remark before.. there are special considerations
for x-c in the islands.. check that out..

Those are only considerations for the primary ratings. For instrument and
commercial ratings, normal XC regulations apply.

Pete

Koopas Ly wrote:

What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not
you're persuing additional ratings.

I log a flight as cross-country only if the destination is at least 50 miles
away.

George Patterson
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned
no other way.

On 24 Nov 2003 18:18:39 -0800, (Koopas Ly)
wrote:


What do you guys/gals do? I guess it would depend on whether or not
you're persuing additional ratings.

Until I got my commercial I only logged cross country for flights with
landings at an airport more than 50 miles from my point of departure.
Now I log any flight to a destination greater than 50 miles whether or
not I land as cross country.

"ArtP" wrote in message
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Until I got my commercial I only logged cross country for flights with
landings at an airport more than 50 miles from my point of departure.
Now I log any flight to a destination greater than 50 miles whether or
not I land as cross country.

Why the change after you got your Commercial certificate? It's not like
further ratings don't require landings. Not planning on getting any
additional ratings?

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:48:26 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:


Why the change after you got your Commercial certificate? It's not like
further ratings don't require landings. Not planning on getting any
additional ratings?

The only other rating that I know of that requires cross country in an
airplane is the ATP and those trips don't require a landing at another
airport.

"ArtP" wrote in message
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The only other rating that I know of that requires cross country in an
airplane is the ATP and those trips don't require a landing at another
airport.

Right. I missed the exception in (iv) when I looked up the definition
before. Still, seems to me if you're going to start logging flights 50NM
but without landings, then you ought to go back and figure out which flights
already exist in your log book that meet the same criteria.

That's just me though. It's hard enough keeping track of all the different
variations of kinds of flight time as it is, without adding an additional
level of complication, IMHO. For me personally, the number of flights I
make 50 NM out but don't land are minimal and 500 hours XC even only for
those flights with a landing is not very far away. I'll reach that
comfortably before I reach 1500 hours. Obviously, for other pilots, the
situation may well be exactly reversed.

One thing that's bugging me: didn't the ATP requirement not have any
distance requirement, but DID have a landing requirement? For some reason,
the current reg looks exactly opposite from what I remember, semantically
speaking.

Pete

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 03:52:41 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

Still, seems to me if you're going to start logging flights 50NM
but without landings, then you ought to go back and figure out which flights
already exist in your log book that meet the same criteria.

When I got my commercial I had the minimum number of cross country
hours and all of my flights were all designed to count toward the
cross country. I can only remember 1 were I flew more than 50 miles
but turned back because of the weather, so it is not worth the trouble
of keeping a spinate log (I have them logged by date (every cross
country before my commercial had a landing).

When I was younger I used to drive around the beltway for fun (70
miles), now I fly around the Washington ADIZ and restricted areas for
fun (450 nm). That is almost a 4 hour cross country without a
landing.

"Peter Duniho" wrote:

For me personally, the number of flights I
make 50 NM out but don't land are minimal and 500 hours XC even only for
those flights with a landing is not very far away. I'll reach that
comfortably before I reach 1500 hours. Obviously, for other pilots, the
situation may well be exactly reversed.

As it is for me (reversed , that is). I've got hundreds of
hours more than 50 nm away without a landing. I can think of
two flights totaling over 20 hours and 1400 miles in that
category. It's tough to get back home in a glider if you
land somewhere. Most of the time, when I log XC, it's a
failure.

Todd Pattist
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