Where are the armed pilots?

I have a Washington concealed carry permit, but see little reason to carry a
weapon most of the time unless I am going hunting or doing some recreational
shooting. I find them heavy and awkward to handle. I don't know what other
states would honor the Washington permit.

1. Nope, not a single one.

2. Only going on a hunting trips in a case.

3. Put it/them in the luggage area.

4. Nope

5. Only on combat missions (.38 or 9mm depending on airframe).

6. Thompson Contender 7-30 Waters.

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KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
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Nomen Nescio wrote:


Brings up an interesting question....How many of us Gen.Av. pilots bring our legal concealed
carry weapons up in the air with us?

In Montana you cannot conceal a weapon in your car or plane. They are
an extension of your home and therefore, by definition, you cannot
conceal a gun in a plane. I have a .22 pistol with me in the copilot
seatback to blast the occasional gopher or just to plink around with
when we land in the dirt somewhere. When we go into the backcountry I
will also pack my .41.



1) Are you licensed for concealed weapon carry and in how many states?

Don't need to be here.

2) Do you carry your gun at the airport (often, rarely, etc.)?

At least one gun is always in the plane.

3) What do you do with it when you are flying?

It stays in its holster, I just make sure there isn't a round in the
chamber.


4) Have you ever had a problem with airport personel who may have caught sight of the gun?

That's funny, this being Montana.


5) Have you ever been in a situation where you were thankful that you brought it with you?

I'm thankful every time. I have never needed it though.


6) What do you usually carry?

..22, .41 mag or .480 Ruger. Sometimes a shotgun.

"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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1) Are you licensed for concealed weapon carry and in how many states?
2) Do you carry your gun at the airport (often, rarely, etc.)?

I've heard it said that disclosing that you carry a concealed weapon
means you're not carrying a concealed weapon. Why would anyone want
to disclose that?

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in message om...
"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
...
1) Are you licensed for concealed weapon carry and in how many states?
2) Do you carry your gun at the airport (often, rarely, etc.)?

I've heard it said that disclosing that you carry a concealed weapon
means you're not carrying a concealed weapon. Why would anyone want
to disclose that?

Depends on state law.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...

I've heard it said that disclosing that you carry a concealed weapon
means you're not carrying a concealed weapon. Why would anyone want
to disclose that?

Depends on state law.

Umm, no, that's not what I mean. I guess I wasn't clear.

The value of concealing a handgun is a tactical advantage over
opponents. If an adversary doesn't know you have a gun, he may be
completely unable to defend against it, or so surprised that he fails
to defend in a timely manner.

If Ron is carrying a concealed handgun, and he goes around telling
everyone that he's carrying a concealed handgun, the "concealed"
status is compromised. Anyone who may have chosen Ron as a victim can
now make a well informed tactical assessment. This may be a deterrent
for attacks against Ron, but anyone chosing to go ahead will be
prepared to fire first and not be surprised.

That being the scenario, I postulate that this discussion won't
produce a large number of people indicating "I have a concealed
handgun, and I carry it at these times..." because those people would
lose the benefit they seek in carrying a concealed handgun - it's
self-defeating.

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in message om...
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...

I've heard it said that disclosing that you carry a concealed weapon
means you're not carrying a concealed weapon. Why would anyone want
to disclose that?

Depends on state law.

Umm, no, that's not what I mean. I guess I wasn't clear.

The value of concealing a handgun is

The major reason many people get concealed weapons permits here is
that the "open carry" policy is a little arcane. Even those who walk
around with the gun on their hips typically have the permit.

Brien K. Meehan wrote:

"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
. ..

1) Are you licensed for concealed weapon carry and in how many states?
2) Do you carry your gun at the airport (often, rarely, etc.)?


I've heard it said that disclosing that you carry a concealed weapon
means you're not carrying a concealed weapon. Why would anyone want
to disclose that?

Not correct.

Nomen,
I only carry a firearm when required to do so. Then it will be my 7mm
Remington Magnum rifle. It makes a good survival weapon.
Michelle

Nomen Nescio wrote:

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Interesting article:
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20031...5721-8712r.htm

" On Aug. 26, the TSA gleefully reported that far fewer airline pilots have volunteered for the armed pilot
program than pilot groups estimated might volunteer. Currently, only a few thousand pilots have
volunteered for the program out of about 100,000 that are eligible. The large majority of Americans who
support arming airline pilots might rightfully ask: Where are the volunteers? The answer to the question
is really quite simple."

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Seems that the TSA has been quite successful in keeping ATP's from arming themselves.
And at the same time the Sky Marshall program is switching over from the 9mm round to the
more powerful .357 Sig round because it's better at dropping a terrorist when fired through
a hostage.
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Brings up an interesting question....How many of us Gen.Av. pilots bring our legal concealed
carry weapons up in the air with us?
I don't think I have ever seen a discussion of this issue.
So,
1) Are you licensed for concealed weapon carry and in how many states?
2) Do you carry your gun at the airport (often, rarely, etc.)?
3) What do you do with it when you are flying?
4) Have you ever had a problem with airport personel who may have caught sight of the gun?
5) Have you ever been in a situation where you were thankful that you brought it with you?
6) What do you usually carry?

To break the ice, I'll start........
1) Yes, 35 states. including Vermont (no license required)
2) Small airports.....almost always.....loaded and holstered
Larger airports (served by airlines) sometimes carried, sometimes in flight bag, on rare
occasion I leave it home.
3) Flight bag if carried on belt, wear it if carried in shoulder holster.
4) Don't think anyone ever saw it.
5) Every lonely, dark, airport. Especially when preflighting.
6) Sig Sauer 239, .40 cal., tritium night sights

Anyone else want to weigh in on this subject??






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Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

"Michelle P" wrote in message
ink.net...
Nomen,
I only carry a firearm when required to do so. Then it will be my 7mm
Remington Magnum rifle. It makes a good survival weapon.
Michelle

Hope you don't have to survive by shooting rabbits or squirrels. :~)