Planning a trip

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:48:54 -0000, S Green wrote:

I want to do plenty of flying so rather than do a coast to coast I figured
on trying to fly and land in each State/county in the contiguous US.

great plan!

Living in Europe, I would probable buy a plane, fly it for the duration and
sell it when done.

If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of corporation
or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg airplane not being a US
citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)

Welcome any thoughts on best plane for the mission, best time of year /
route to capitalise on the weather re most flyable days.

this might depend on the place where you'll buy your plane.

Would also want to rig up a TV camera to record the trip. That would be
covered by someone else as it would be necessary to have camera remote
controls on near control column, yoke.

So you are how many people on the plane?

S Green

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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:11:09 -0500, Saryon wrote:

If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of corporation
or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg airplane not being a US
citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)

When I bought mine I got a copy of an FAA memo in the package from
Cessna which said in part that Corporations or LLCs formed/controlled
by non-US Citizens are also prohibited from owning aircraft, so this
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is the key. and yes, this is true.

But I heard of companies offering these type of service with a legal way to
make it work.

wouldn't work.

It's probabally better to find places that rent factory-new aircraft
and pay the rental rates.

I second that.

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Got myself a 6 month break (sabbatical) coming up in the next year or
so.

Sounds like a cool trip, but I think you're going to need to provide us
with
more information in order to help you out. (Are you multi-engine rated?
Instrument? What price range? Etc.)

More important, however, is this: How do you manage to get a "6 month"
vacation!


Well there been a load of useful feedback thanks a lot everybody. I thought
I would answer a few of the questions raised.


Well, in my job I get 5 weeks vacation a year, trouble is I only get round
to taking 4. I have agreed with my employer to bank the other week. For the
last 6 years I have been doing that, so I have 6 weeks banked.

Add my normal holiday and that gives me 11 weeks. The other 13 or so weeks I
will take as unpaid leave as I get a sort of pension.

I have a simple private certificate with taildragger endorsement. I was
looking at spending up to $25,000 on the plane and maybe another $30,000 as
expenses for the trip. It only needs 2 seats but needs to be able to carry a
bit of luggage. Mainly camping gear. Most likely a taildragger for getting
into those rough strips.

Need radio and transponder though for the odd venture into class B airports
just because you can.

I am hoping to be able to sell the plane at the end for pretty much what I
paid but it needs to be straight forward to operate. That is most problems
can be fixed by the pilot. Having said that spare parts should be
available even in the most out of the way places and so if there is
something beyond the pilot for fixing, then any airplane engineer should
find it a breeze.

I have a friend in Arizona who knows nothing about planes but as he is a US
resident, he is legally entitled to own a plane. So to avoid a Delaware
trust company he will be the main owner.

My schedule is - well there is none. None of this "well its Monday so I need
to be in Rapids City etc.,etc."

Working to a schedule organised by the hour day after day for a living is
not how I am going to enjoy my passion.

Each moment and person I meet is to be savoured like a good wine or cigar.

I once was flying from Brackett to Palm Springs and decided to drop into
Banning which was on the way.

Came across a couple of old guys sitting outside the front of what I
suppose is the airport building. Grabbed a cup of coffee and a doughnut and
we started talking as you do.

Turned out that one had been stationed at Rhoose, Cardiff during the war and
the other had been at Burtonwood, Warrington at the same time. ( I worked in
Warrington at the time)

It just so happened that I had an approach plate for Cardiff in my kneeboard
folder. Well we talked for so long, I missed out on completing the trip to
Palm Springs and returned to Brackett.

Not bothered I missed Palm Springs, but really pleased I met two guys who I
had something in common with way out there.

They made my day special, I hope I made their day more interesting too.

I hope that does not sound too prissy but that's what the trip is about. I
have been thinking about it for a few years now and promising myself that I
would do it.

Its time to do some planning. With $ so low against the ?uro I am going to
get 30% more for my money now than two years ago. First part of the plan is
to start buying $$$.

What are the rules about firearms. I think I should have a rifle when out in
the boondocks but are foreigners allowed to have them and what about taking
them across state boundaries.

If I need to be writing letters to get permits that better start now too,
Heaven knows what the bureaucrats will make of this.

Tourist visa too.

Dave wrote:

What are the rules about firearms. I think I should have a rifle when out in
the boondocks but are foreigners allowed to have them and what about taking
them across state boundaries.

In general, you can only purchase firearms in the State in which you reside. I
was told by a North Carolina dealer a few years ago that this is Federal law. That
basically means that you won't be able to buy one. Federal law is that you can
transport a properly packaged firearm anywhere you like in the States as long as
you can legally own it in both your origination point and your destination. Many
local authorities will arrest you anyway, if you happen to land in their area.
The States of Maryland and New Jersey are known for this, though Jersey mainly
gets alarmed about handguns. Practically speaking, if you had something like a
carbine in a good suitcase, nobody would know it was there.

Properly packaged means that the firearm is in a solidly built box or gun case,
is unloaded, and the box is locked. Ammunition must be stored separately. This
is typically the most restrictive and some States have more lenient storage
requirements when you are in their jurisdiction.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of corporation
or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg airplane not being a US
citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)

When I bought mine I got a copy of an FAA memo in the package from
Cessna which said in part that Corporations or LLCs formed/controlled
by non-US Citizens are also prohibited from owning aircraft, so this
wouldn't work.

I don't know about owning as I just got my PPL (on 12/17/03 ).
In the middle of my license I lived in Germany for 3 years. Basically
(if I had finished my license by then) I read it would take about
10-12 hours to get my German-JAA license. That would entitle me to
be PIC of a European (D-licensed (German)? not sure about other EU
countries) plane but otherwise I would only be able to fly US registered
planes. So *if* you are allowed to own a US registered plane,
you might not even be allowed to fly it!


Now having said that, I could swear I read that there are places
in the EU that you can rent N-registered planes....at US military
bases? maybe there is some planes that live in the US that
are registered to your country. Just a thought.

Gerald

Martin Hotze wrote:
If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of
corporation or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg airplane
not being a US citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)

Do you have a source/reference to a regulation/law/... about this?
I am sincerely interested because that would block any Permanent Resident
from owning an airplane or flight operation business.

jue

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:58:02 GMT, Gerald Sylvester wrote:

I don't know about owning as I just got my PPL (on 12/17/03 ).
In the middle of my license I lived in Germany for 3 years. Basically
(if I had finished my license by then) I read it would take about
10-12 hours to get my German-JAA license.

it now takes about 100 hours. yes, I know, ridicolous.

That would entitle me to
be PIC of a European (D-licensed (German)? not sure about other EU
countries)


D - Germany
OE - Austria
F - France
I - Italy
G - United Kingdom
.....

plane but otherwise I would only be able to fly US registered
planes. So *if* you are allowed to own a US registered plane,
you might not even be allowed to fly it!


it all depends on the certificate.
US certificate and N-reg plane; certificate and aircraft registration has
to meet.


Now having said that, I could swear I read that there are places
in the EU that you can rent N-registered planes....at US military

there are some places to rent them.
for Germany see: http://www.airnav.de/N-reg.html

bases? maybe there is some planes that live in the US that
are registered to your country. Just a thought.


this would make no sense (because of requirements for maintainance etc.)

Gerald

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:28:26 GMT, Jürgen Exner wrote:

Martin Hotze wrote:
If you are not a US citizen you should check into some sort of
corporation or holding as you are not allowed to own a N-reg airplane
not being a US citizen. (disregard when a US citizen)

Do you have a source/reference to a regulation/law/... about this?
I am sincerely interested because that would block any Permanent Resident
from owning an airplane or flight operation business.

start he
http://www.google.com/search?q=trust+n-reg+aircraft

jue

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:58:02 GMT, Gerald Sylvester wrote:

I don't know about owning as I just got my PPL (on 12/17/03 ).
In the middle of my license I lived in Germany for 3 years. Basically
(if I had finished my license by then) I read it would take about
10-12 hours to get my German-JAA license.

it now takes about 100 hours. yes, I know, ridicolous.

That would entitle me to
be PIC of a European (D-licensed (German)? not sure about other EU
countries)


D - Germany
OE - Austria
F - France
I - Italy
G - United Kingdom
.....

plane but otherwise I would only be able to fly US registered
planes. So *if* you are allowed to own a US registered plane,
you might not even be allowed to fly it!


it all depends on the certificate.
US certificate and N-reg plane; certificate and aircraft registration has
to meet.


Now having said that, I could swear I read that there are places
in the EU that you can rent N-registered planes....at US military

there are some places to rent them.
for Germany see: http://www.airnav.de/N-reg.html

bases? maybe there is some planes that live in the US that
are registered to your country. Just a thought.


this would make no sense (because of requirements for maintainance etc.)

Gerald

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"Saryon" wrote in message
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[...] It was my recolection error that expanded this to be "no
non-us citizen can own" now that I have it in front of me again, but
if the person asking is not a resident-alien (which appears to be the
case here) the distinction is trivial.

However, the part you quoted also shows a way for a non-resident alien to
own an N-registered airplane. In particular, it would work fine for the
ownership being asked about in this thread, since the intent is for the
airplane to be operated within the US. Foreign-owned corporations are
allowed, as long as the corporation is still a US corporation, and the
airplane is "based and used primarily in the United States".

Maybe it's a technicality, but I'd say it's not true that "no non-US citizen
can own" an N-registered airplane. There are restrictions, to be sure. But
it's obviously possible for a non-US citizen to control ownership of an
N-registered airplane, at least one that will be primarily operated in the
US (as is the case here).

Pete