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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:32:17 GMT "Dudley Henriques" wrote:


"Jeb" wrote in message
om...
Flight Sim enquiry raises terror alert
By Andrew Orlowski in Las Vegas
Posted: 08/01/2004 at 22:39 GMT
A mother's enquiry about buying Microsoft Flight Simulator for her
ten-year-old son prompted a night-time visit to her home from a state
trooper.

Julie Olearcek, a USAF Reserve pilot made the enquiry at a Staples
store in Massachusetts, home to an earlier bout of hysteria, during
the Salem witch trials.

So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield Recorder
reports. The authorities moved into action, leaving nothing to chance.
A few days later, Olearcek was alarmed to discover a state trooper
flashing a torch into to her home through a sliding glass door at 8:30
pm on a rainy night.

Olearcek is a regular Staples customer and schools her son at home.
The Staples manager simply explained that staff were obeying advice.
Shortly before Christmas, the FBI issued a terror alert to beware of
drivers with maps, or reference books.

At one time it was rare to find US citizens, in the safest and most
prosperous country in the world, jumping at their own shadows. Now we
only note how high.

It could also be noted that incidents like this are isolated rather than the
general norm. This specific incident was overplayed because the person

It could be noted but it isn't true. There are plenty of knee-jerks like this
going on everyday. Do you think every one makes the news?


involved on the receiving end was a pilot. People are not jumping at their

This makes no sense. In what way was it overplayed? The person involved
was 10 years old. It was overplayed because our rights to freedom are
being trampled.


own shadows in America. If anything, there's a huge problem with people


People are shooting at their own shadows. 10,000 gun related per year.
(or more??)

generally beginning to take on a "relaxed" attitude about the country being
hit again.
These incidents are going to happen, and they're going to happen again, so
you better get used to it. When you have retail store managers with good


It's surprising to think that anyone could buy into the drivel you seem
to have bought into. Wait until you're hauled off and detained with no
reason given.


intentions but absolutely no training in security matters at all calling
meetings and "briefing" young impressionable sales clerks on the importance
of reporting "anything suspicious" because they have received a flyer from
"headquarters" or seen something on the nightly news, this kind of thing is
going to happen.
The bottom line is that we're caught between what we should be doing to be
secure, and what we're actually doing to be secure. It's a mess out there.
There's some security, but not nearly enough has been done. We're caught
between our freedom and how much of that freedom we're willing to give up
for security. It's a HUGE problem that's filled with pot holes. We have


There are not enough freedoms to give up to get the safety you seem to think
we can get.


every faction with an agenda to grind flailing away at every attempt to make
the nation more secure. In fact, I think it's safe to say, from what I've
seen so far at least, that we're as afraid and suspicious of our own
government as we are of the terrorist situation, perhaps with reason,
perhaps not...who the hell knows?


Well our own government has lied to us so many times recently you don't
know what to believe do you? They've done all kinds of horrible things to our
own people. LSD testing on unknowing, unwitting military test subjects.
Chemical spraying on "special" ops teams in Hawaii. Lying about WMDs. Just
today there's a report that Bush was planning the Iraq invasion pre-9/11.


So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
$500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.


The bottom line is that along with these security warnings going up and
down, and the agendas floating around trying to tear the country apart with
conspiracy theories, you're going to have little old ladies hassled at the


What conspiracy theories?


airport for their nail clippers; old men of 96 taken aside and made to strip
down to their shorts; clerks at Staples showing the boss that they are
"contributing" to the overall "concerns" of their employers; and young

blah blah blah


middle eastern looking men passed by security because no one wants to look
like their profiling.


What? Do you have some instances of this happening? I don't believe you.


Hell, all you have to do is take a good look at the posts that might follow
mine here to see how absolutely divided we all are on this issue :-)))

Divided is not the issue it's about getting facts as opposed to concocting
incorrect conclusions.

R. Hubbell




Dudley Henriques
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Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:32:17 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"Jeb" wrote in message
om...
Flight Sim enquiry raises terror alert
By Andrew Orlowski in Las Vegas
Posted: 08/01/2004 at 22:39 GMT
A mother's enquiry about buying Microsoft Flight Simulator for her
ten-year-old son prompted a night-time visit to her home from a state
trooper.

Julie Olearcek, a USAF Reserve pilot made the enquiry at a Staples
store in Massachusetts, home to an earlier bout of hysteria, during
the Salem witch trials.

So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield Recorder
reports. The authorities moved into action, leaving nothing to chance.
A few days later, Olearcek was alarmed to discover a state trooper
flashing a torch into to her home through a sliding glass door at 8:30
pm on a rainy night.

Olearcek is a regular Staples customer and schools her son at home.
The Staples manager simply explained that staff were obeying advice.
Shortly before Christmas, the FBI issued a terror alert to beware of
drivers with maps, or reference books.

At one time it was rare to find US citizens, in the safest and most
prosperous country in the world, jumping at their own shadows. Now we
only note how high.

It could also be noted that incidents like this are isolated rather than
the
general norm. This specific incident was overplayed because the person

It could be noted but it isn't true. There are plenty of knee-jerks like
this
going on everyday. Do you think every one makes the news?


involved on the receiving end was a pilot. People are not jumping at
their

This makes no sense. In what way was it overplayed? The person involved
was 10 years old. It was overplayed because our rights to freedom are
being trampled.


own shadows in America. If anything, there's a huge problem with people


People are shooting at their own shadows. 10,000 gun related per year.
(or more??)

generally beginning to take on a "relaxed" attitude about the country
being
hit again.
These incidents are going to happen, and they're going to happen again,
so
you better get used to it. When you have retail store managers with good


It's surprising to think that anyone could buy into the drivel you seem
to have bought into. Wait until you're hauled off and detained with no
reason given.


intentions but absolutely no training in security matters at all calling
meetings and "briefing" young impressionable sales clerks on the
importance
of reporting "anything suspicious" because they have received a flyer
from
"headquarters" or seen something on the nightly news, this kind of thing
is
going to happen.
The bottom line is that we're caught between what we should be doing to
be
secure, and what we're actually doing to be secure. It's a mess out
there.
There's some security, but not nearly enough has been done. We're caught
between our freedom and how much of that freedom we're willing to give
up
for security. It's a HUGE problem that's filled with pot holes. We have


There are not enough freedoms to give up to get the safety you seem to
think
we can get.


every faction with an agenda to grind flailing away at every attempt to
make
the nation more secure. In fact, I think it's safe to say, from what
I've
seen so far at least, that we're as afraid and suspicious of our own
government as we are of the terrorist situation, perhaps with reason,
perhaps not...who the hell knows?


Well our own government has lied to us so many times recently you don't
know what to believe do you? They've done all kinds of horrible things to
our
own people. LSD testing on unknowing, unwitting military test subjects.
Chemical spraying on "special" ops teams in Hawaii. Lying about WMDs.
Just
today there's a report that Bush was planning the Iraq invasion pre-9/11.


So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
$500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.


The bottom line is that along with these security warnings going up and
down, and the agendas floating around trying to tear the country apart
with
conspiracy theories, you're going to have little old ladies hassled at
the


What conspiracy theories?


airport for their nail clippers; old men of 96 taken aside and made to
strip
down to their shorts; clerks at Staples showing the boss that they are
"contributing" to the overall "concerns" of their employers; and young

blah blah blah


middle eastern looking men passed by security because no one wants to
look
like their profiling.


What? Do you have some instances of this happening? I don't believe you.


Hell, all you have to do is take a good look at the posts that might
follow
mine here to see how absolutely divided we all are on this issue :-)))

Divided is not the issue it's about getting facts as opposed to concocting
incorrect conclusions.

R. Hubbell

LOL!
Hell Hubbell, this post is so filled with personal agenda and conspiricy
theory that it's literally impossible to deal with it even if I wanted to,
which I don't :-)
You win, The world sucks; the government exists only to hurt us, and they're
coming to get all of us in the middle of the night, and the President is a
................ what's the use....? :-))
Take care,
DH

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:32:04 GMT "Dudley Henriques" wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:32:17 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"Jeb" wrote in message
om...
Flight Sim enquiry raises terror alert
By Andrew Orlowski in Las Vegas
Posted: 08/01/2004 at 22:39 GMT
A mother's enquiry about buying Microsoft Flight Simulator for her
ten-year-old son prompted a night-time visit to her home from a state
trooper.

Julie Olearcek, a USAF Reserve pilot made the enquiry at a Staples
store in Massachusetts, home to an earlier bout of hysteria, during
the Salem witch trials.

So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield Recorder
reports. The authorities moved into action, leaving nothing to chance.
A few days later, Olearcek was alarmed to discover a state trooper
flashing a torch into to her home through a sliding glass door at 8:30
pm on a rainy night.

Olearcek is a regular Staples customer and schools her son at home.
The Staples manager simply explained that staff were obeying advice.
Shortly before Christmas, the FBI issued a terror alert to beware of
drivers with maps, or reference books.

At one time it was rare to find US citizens, in the safest and most
prosperous country in the world, jumping at their own shadows. Now we
only note how high.

It could also be noted that incidents like this are isolated rather than
the
general norm. This specific incident was overplayed because the person

It could be noted but it isn't true. There are plenty of knee-jerks like
this
going on everyday. Do you think every one makes the news?


involved on the receiving end was a pilot. People are not jumping at
their

This makes no sense. In what way was it overplayed? The person involved
was 10 years old. It was overplayed because our rights to freedom are
being trampled.


own shadows in America. If anything, there's a huge problem with people


People are shooting at their own shadows. 10,000 gun related per year.
(or more??)

generally beginning to take on a "relaxed" attitude about the country
being
hit again.
These incidents are going to happen, and they're going to happen again,
so
you better get used to it. When you have retail store managers with good


It's surprising to think that anyone could buy into the drivel you seem
to have bought into. Wait until you're hauled off and detained with no
reason given.


intentions but absolutely no training in security matters at all calling
meetings and "briefing" young impressionable sales clerks on the
importance
of reporting "anything suspicious" because they have received a flyer
from
"headquarters" or seen something on the nightly news, this kind of thing
is
going to happen.
The bottom line is that we're caught between what we should be doing to
be
secure, and what we're actually doing to be secure. It's a mess out
there.
There's some security, but not nearly enough has been done. We're caught
between our freedom and how much of that freedom we're willing to give
up
for security. It's a HUGE problem that's filled with pot holes. We have


There are not enough freedoms to give up to get the safety you seem to
think
we can get.


every faction with an agenda to grind flailing away at every attempt to
make
the nation more secure. In fact, I think it's safe to say, from what
I've
seen so far at least, that we're as afraid and suspicious of our own
government as we are of the terrorist situation, perhaps with reason,
perhaps not...who the hell knows?


Well our own government has lied to us so many times recently you don't
know what to believe do you? They've done all kinds of horrible things to
our
own people. LSD testing on unknowing, unwitting military test subjects.
Chemical spraying on "special" ops teams in Hawaii. Lying about WMDs.
Just
today there's a report that Bush was planning the Iraq invasion pre-9/11.


So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
$500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.


The bottom line is that along with these security warnings going up and
down, and the agendas floating around trying to tear the country apart
with
conspiracy theories, you're going to have little old ladies hassled at
the


What conspiracy theories?


airport for their nail clippers; old men of 96 taken aside and made to
strip
down to their shorts; clerks at Staples showing the boss that they are
"contributing" to the overall "concerns" of their employers; and young

blah blah blah


middle eastern looking men passed by security because no one wants to
look
like their profiling.


What? Do you have some instances of this happening? I don't believe you.


Hell, all you have to do is take a good look at the posts that might
follow
mine here to see how absolutely divided we all are on this issue :-)))

Divided is not the issue it's about getting facts as opposed to concocting
incorrect conclusions.

R. Hubbell

LOL!
Hell Hubbell, this post is so filled with personal agenda and conspiricy
theory that it's literally impossible to deal with it even if I wanted to,
which I don't :-)

It is? Prove that point.


You win, The world sucks; the government exists only to hurt us, and they're
coming to get all of us in the middle of the night, and the President is a
............... what's the use....? :-))


Your reality has been skewed somehow. Care to say how? Or are you unsure?


Take care,
DH



Okay so you don't really have any counterpoint so you would rather steer the
discussion to a close. That's fine with me too. Maybe you just weren't
expecting a reply that questioned your position.

I hope you have a lot of money because Bush and Co. are good to those that
do. And the ones that don't have a lot are good for those that do have a
lot of money. Rich people love middle-class republican voters. You help
them hold on to their money.


R. Hubbell

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:32:04 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:32:17 GMT "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"Jeb" wrote in message
om...
Flight Sim enquiry raises terror alert
By Andrew Orlowski in Las Vegas
Posted: 08/01/2004 at 22:39 GMT
A mother's enquiry about buying Microsoft Flight Simulator for her
ten-year-old son prompted a night-time visit to her home from a
state
trooper.

Julie Olearcek, a USAF Reserve pilot made the enquiry at a Staples
store in Massachusetts, home to an earlier bout of hysteria,
during
the Salem witch trials.

So alarmed was the Staples clerk at the prospect of the ten year
old
learning to fly, that he informed the police, the Greenfield
Recorder
reports. The authorities moved into action, leaving nothing to
chance.
A few days later, Olearcek was alarmed to discover a state trooper
flashing a torch into to her home through a sliding glass door at
8:30
pm on a rainy night.

Olearcek is a regular Staples customer and schools her son at
home.
The Staples manager simply explained that staff were obeying
advice.
Shortly before Christmas, the FBI issued a terror alert to beware
of
drivers with maps, or reference books.

At one time it was rare to find US citizens, in the safest and
most
prosperous country in the world, jumping at their own shadows. Now
we
only note how high.

It could also be noted that incidents like this are isolated rather
than
the
general norm. This specific incident was overplayed because the
person

It could be noted but it isn't true. There are plenty of knee-jerks
like
this
going on everyday. Do you think every one makes the news?


involved on the receiving end was a pilot. People are not jumping at
their

This makes no sense. In what way was it overplayed? The person
involved
was 10 years old. It was overplayed because our rights to freedom are
being trampled.


own shadows in America. If anything, there's a huge problem with
people


People are shooting at their own shadows. 10,000 gun related per
year.
(or more??)

generally beginning to take on a "relaxed" attitude about the
country
being
hit again.
These incidents are going to happen, and they're going to happen
again,
so
you better get used to it. When you have retail store managers with
good


It's surprising to think that anyone could buy into the drivel you
seem
to have bought into. Wait until you're hauled off and detained with
no
reason given.


intentions but absolutely no training in security matters at all
calling
meetings and "briefing" young impressionable sales clerks on the
importance
of reporting "anything suspicious" because they have received a
flyer
from
"headquarters" or seen something on the nightly news, this kind of
thing
is
going to happen.
The bottom line is that we're caught between what we should be doing
to
be
secure, and what we're actually doing to be secure. It's a mess out
there.
There's some security, but not nearly enough has been done. We're
caught
between our freedom and how much of that freedom we're willing to
give
up
for security. It's a HUGE problem that's filled with pot holes. We
have


There are not enough freedoms to give up to get the safety you seem to
think
we can get.


every faction with an agenda to grind flailing away at every attempt
to
make
the nation more secure. In fact, I think it's safe to say, from what
I've
seen so far at least, that we're as afraid and suspicious of our own
government as we are of the terrorist situation, perhaps with
reason,
perhaps not...who the hell knows?


Well our own government has lied to us so many times recently you
don't
know what to believe do you? They've done all kinds of horrible
things to
our
own people. LSD testing on unknowing, unwitting military test
subjects.
Chemical spraying on "special" ops teams in Hawaii. Lying about WMDs.
Just
today there's a report that Bush was planning the Iraq invasion
pre-9/11.


So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you
must
be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive
or
a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're
under
$500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at
AMT if
you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and
Co.


The bottom line is that along with these security warnings going up
and
down, and the agendas floating around trying to tear the country
apart
with
conspiracy theories, you're going to have little old ladies hassled
at
the


What conspiracy theories?


airport for their nail clippers; old men of 96 taken aside and made
to
strip
down to their shorts; clerks at Staples showing the boss that they
are
"contributing" to the overall "concerns" of their employers; and
young

blah blah blah


middle eastern looking men passed by security because no one wants
to
look
like their profiling.


What? Do you have some instances of this happening? I don't believe
you.


Hell, all you have to do is take a good look at the posts that might
follow
mine here to see how absolutely divided we all are on this issue
:-)))

Divided is not the issue it's about getting facts as opposed to
concocting
incorrect conclusions.

R. Hubbell

LOL!
Hell Hubbell, this post is so filled with personal agenda and conspiricy
theory that it's literally impossible to deal with it even if I wanted
to,
which I don't :-)

It is? Prove that point.


You win, The world sucks; the government exists only to hurt us, and
they're
coming to get all of us in the middle of the night, and the President is
a
............... what's the use....? :-))


Your reality has been skewed somehow. Care to say how? Or are you unsure?


Take care,
DH



Okay so you don't really have any counterpoint so you would rather steer
the
discussion to a close. That's fine with me too. Maybe you just weren't
expecting a reply that questioned your position.

I hope you have a lot of money because Bush and Co. are good to those that
do. And the ones that don't have a lot are good for those that do have a
lot of money. Rich people love middle-class republican voters. You help
them hold on to their money.


R. Hubbell

As I said, you are right about everything; I have no issue; the world is the
way you see it; Bush is bad; yes I'm rich: and I just remembered why I don't
like to post here and usually don't.
See ya!
DH

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
|
| So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
| be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
| a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
| $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
| you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.
|
|

Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far less
than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up with
this idiotic theory.

Anyway, what is it that you have against the rich that you keep going on
tirades against them? Were you personally planning on staying poor all your
life? (Of course! You are a pilot, so by definition you will be poor all
your life. Must be Bush's fault.)

Please include the post you're responding to, and especially the part
you refer to otherwise I have no idea what you're talking to.


R. Hubbell

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
...
| Please include the post you're responding to, and especially the part
| you refer to otherwise I have no idea what you're talking to.
|

I included the relevant quote. Of course, if you have no idea what you were
talking about, I will accept that.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:29:37 -0800 "C J Campbell" wrote:


"R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
|
| So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you must
| be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive or
| a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're under
| $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT if
| you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and Co.
|
|


I'll try to respond to this but you didn't offer up much in the way of a
counterpoint.

Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far less

What part is fantasy to you?

Define a Bush supporter? Is that one who votes for him or who donates lots
of money to his campaign? If you're a Bush voter you're getting the shaft.


than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up with
this idiotic theory.

You're awfully quick to throw insults, must have touched a nerve.
But I note that you don't point out what was it that was idiotic.
Why not offer exact responses instead of mud slinging?

(BTW you do realize we're talking ultra-rich)

The vast majority of Bush supporters (the ones donating to his campaign)
are making $500,000/year (dispensible income not disposable as the rich
pay very little taxes) and if you're making under $500,000/yr you're very
likely paying the way for those Bush donors. Because you are likely getting
a paycheck and your deductions are all taken out. Nothing to fudge since it's
all known to the gov. But if you're making big bucks you can play all kinds
of fun games. Putting money offshore, etc. and report very little income.
It's all legal of course. And what the middle class pays for soc. sec. is
out of whack too compared to the rich. Bush and Co. are only making things
better for those rich folks. Capital gains, I think the estate taxes and
plenty of other treats. So no Bush and Co. are not making things better.
The tax code is a joke, there are schemes that even the IRS doesn't know
about. Oh what a surprise. The IRS doesn't have the manpower to deal with
it all. (congress decides what money the IRS gets BTW)

Look at AMT too, Holy cow it's bad. It's going to keep rearing it's
ugly head for the middle-class.


BTW the rich don't care about Bush or Democrats or Republicans. They
care about money, their money and how they're going to keep it while
getting more.



Anyway, what is it that you have against the rich that you keep going on


Not only against the rich, also against the govt. that lets them keep
getting richer, while the rest of americans are barely treading water.
It's about inequalities of who is paying the taxes.



tirades against them? Were you personally planning on staying poor all your
life? (Of course! You are a pilot, so by definition you will be poor all
your life. Must be Bush's fault.)

Yes, planning on spending the kids inheritance, but with a twist.
The kids will get to help us spend it.

Not entirely Bush's fault but he's not going to change anything.

The US tax code needs to be gutted. There should be a flat tax.
Yes that would put lots of accountants and lawyers out of work
but oh well. They could become TSA workers. We'll need to
watch all those subversive people asking pointed questions
about flight sim. software and other anti-american activities
too so they could find jobs with Tom Ridge.



R. Hubbell

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:29:37 -0800 "C J Campbell"
wrote:
|
|
| "R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
| |
| | So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you
must
| | be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| | people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive
or
| | a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're
under
| | $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at
AMT if
| | you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and
Co.
| |
| |
|
|
| I'll try to respond to this but you didn't offer up much in the way of a
| counterpoint.
|
| Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far
less
|
| What part is fantasy to you?
|
| Define a Bush supporter? Is that one who votes for him or who donates
lots
| of money to his campaign? If you're a Bush voter you're getting the
shaft.
|
|
| than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up
with
| this idiotic theory.
|
| You're awfully quick to throw insults, must have touched a nerve.

Well, since you are the one saying that everyone who supports Bush is either
fantastically wealthy or a dupe, maybe you should look at the insulting tone
of your own posts.

|
| The vast majority of Bush supporters (the ones donating to his campaign)
| are making $500,000/year (dispensible income not disposable as the rich
| pay very little taxes) and if you're making under $500,000/yr you're very
| likely paying the way for those Bush donors.

You still have not offered one shred of evidence in support of this
statement.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message |
|
| So if you're not afraid and suspicious of our own government then you
must
| be very naive or conveniently ignorant. As far as I can tell the only
| people that like Bush and Co. are the very rich. Anyone else is naive
or
| a fool if they think this admin. is doing them any good. If you're
under
| $500,000/yr you are taking it you-know-where. Have a close look at AMT
if
| you are in disbelief. If you like your money you can't like Bush and
Co.
|
|

Fantasy. Pure fantasy. The vast majority of Bush supporters make far less
than $500,000 per year. It would be interesting to know how you came up
with
this idiotic theory.

Look at Clinton/Gore supporters for the most wealthy.


Anyway, what is it that you have against the rich that you keep going on
tirades against them? Were you personally planning on staying poor all
your
life? (Of course! You are a pilot, so by definition you will be poor all
your life. Must be Bush's fault.)

Must be!

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