Offering the Middle-digit Salute in Response to Brazil

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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The NYT article to which you kindly provided the URL below states:


It was the International Herald Tribune.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:30:57 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.


But why just for US passengers? The US didn't single out Brazil or any
other individual country, the requirement applies to all passengers not
otherwise documented.

What does your phrase "not otherwise documented" mean? Other than
what? Aren't all international travelers required to possess a
Passport?

Are you saying that ALL airline passengers entering the US are
currently being fingerprinted and photographed? If so, this is the
first I've heard of that practice being instituted.

Your reply implies that you believe that Brazil has "singled out" US
passengers for fingerprinting and photographing. Are you able to
provide a credible citation substantiating that contention? The
quoted article's lack of explicitly stating that Brazil is requiring
fingerprinting and photographing _solely_ of US passengers is
ambiguous IMO.




First, the US is photographing and fingerprinting all foreign nationals that
are required to have a Visa to enter the USA. Brazil is included in that
group. Brazil is ONLY photographing & fingerprinting US citizens.

Is this fair? Sure it is. Brazil is a sovereign nation and can control their
borders any way they choose. Is it being done because we are doing it to
them and not for security reasons? Sure it is, but again it is their country
and they can do what they want to do at its' borders.

If anyone as an American citizen doesn't like it don't go to Brazil.

Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

Yo Gig...
On keeping my american dollars at home, you got it!

Lessee, the American Virgin Islands ought to be nice and warm right now...
denny

"Gig Giacona" If anyone as an American citizen
doesn't like it don't go to Brazil.

Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

Additionally, the unprofessional conduct of Capt. Dale Robin Hersh
earned him the fine he deserved IMO.


I agree.
It appears to me the Brazilian authorities were taking purile punitive
retaliation, but it does not excuse "ugly American" actions such as this.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:07:15 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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The NYT article to which you kindly provided the URL below states:


It was the International Herald Tribune.


You'll note that the story carries the byline: "Larry Rohter NYT"

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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| First, the US is photographing and fingerprinting all foreign nationals
that
| are required to have a Visa to enter the USA. Brazil is included in that
| group. Brazil is ONLY photographing & fingerprinting US citizens.
|
| Is this fair? Sure it is. Brazil is a sovereign nation and can control
their
| borders any way they choose. Is it being done because we are doing it to
| them and not for security reasons? Sure it is, but again it is their
country
| and they can do what they want to do at its' borders.
|
| If anyone as an American citizen doesn't like it don't go to Brazil.

I am reminded of a policy some states used to have that charged Californians
more to use their state parks. Of course, the policy was entirely in
retaliation for California charging out of state visitors more. I would not
let Brazil's policy keep me from visiting that country. Come to think of it,
I kind of like their feisty attitude.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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The article contained this bit of information:

"Brazil's new requirement that American visitors submit to
photographs and fingerprinting ... which is how Brazilians are
welcomed to the U.S. under new security rules."

I would say that the U.S. instituted practice of fingerprinting and
photographing airline passengers entering our country may spark
similar indignities for U.S. passengers entering foreign countries.


But why just for US passengers? The US didn't single out Brazil or
any other individual country, the requirement applies to all
passengers not otherwise documented.

Simple: it is called reciprocal.
If you let my citizen into your country without a visa, then I will let your
citizen into my country without a visa.
If you are charging my citizien 200$ processing fee, them I will charge your
citizen 200$ processing fee.
If you don't require my citizen to present a passport (just an ID is good
enough), then I don't require your citizen do present a passport.
If you are fingerprinting my citizen, then I will fingerprint your citizen.

I am glad that Brazil had the guts to stand up against arrogance.

jue

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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reciprocal.
USA demands fingerprinting from Brazilians (and others; but this is not
Brazil's
ticket)
Brazil demands fingerprints from US-citizens in return.


I think that would be valid if Brazil took the same steps for the same
reasons, but it appears they're taking them just because they're
****ed off.

You may want to check the definition of "reciprocal".

jue

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Larry Dighera wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:07:15 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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The NYT article to which you kindly provided the URL below states:


It was the International Herald Tribune.


You'll note that the story carries the byline: "Larry Rohter NYT"

I'm pretty sure that the Int'l Herald-Tribune is a joint project of the
NYT & one of the Washington,DC papers (the Post?).

So you could both be right, in a way...

Brian.

The NYT article to which you kindly provided the URL below states:


It was the International Herald Tribune.


The online news services often scout out other papers and sources (even TV
stations) that offer the same story without having to register. They all pick
them up from the same AP or other newswire sources, but YahooNews and others
try to find a publisher who spares you from having to register your personal
data every time you click a link to read a story.