Downloading flying music?

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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Jay, the goobers here all claim ignorance to the most obvious source of
music for burring: File sharing software. I'd bet a whole dollar that
most
of the folks saying "But it's illegal!" either are using, have used, or
have
a teenage in their house who currently uses this perfectly legal software
for somewhat nefarious purposes.

It's illegal.

You may send your whole dollar to me at my residence. I believe my address
has been posted here before, so no need for me to do so now.

Not that I expect a low-life like you to actually make good on your wager.

The solution? Kazaa Lite. It's a hacked version of Kazaa without all the
spyware. It's not a legal piece of software and Kazaa is going after the
KazaaLite people, so I am told, so you may find it hard to find.

After all, if you're going to break the law, why bother using legally
obtained software to do it?

Is it illegal to download copyrighted music? OF COURSE! Do people abuse
the system by burning music CDs instead of buying them? Of course! Do I
give a damn? Hell no!

If I'd had any respect for you left after your tirade regarding building
computers, I sure wouldn't have any left now.

Music companies have been screwing me by charging
way too much for their music for a long time. It's about time there was
some competition (illegal or no) that will bring them back to reality.

Here's a thought: don't like the way music companies have been screwing you
by charging way too much for their music? DON'T BUY THEIR MUSIC! Really,
it's that simple. Using your rationalization, anyone who feels that a
particular car is overpriced, or that a particular airplanes is overpriced,
is perfectly well justified in stealing that car or airplane.

I use the service every now and then to make compilations of my fave
music.
Most - but not all - the compilations I've made are songs form CDs I own
(I
have a massive collection).

Why would you waste bandwidth and time downloading music from the Internet
when you can get a legal, higher-quality copy ripping it yourself? Oh,
right...not all the music you're downloading is music you already own.
You're stealing it.

I downloaded some complete CD's and have been
darn glad I didn't buy them because they suck!

That still doesn't make it legal, or morally right. Instead, you could
patronize a music store where they allow you to listen to CDs before you
buy. A decade ago, it was only the mom-and-pop stores that allowed this,
but these days even places like Borders, Barnes & Nobles, and the like have
listening kiosks set up. If they don't have the CDs out that you want to
listen to, ask a salesperson, or go to a non-chain store where they will let
you listen to whatever you want.

After all, you're the one touting the benefits of doing business with the
locals, right?

Or even better, since the real reason you're stealing music is that you
think it's overpriced, don't get a copy of the music, whether through
purchase or theft.

Anyway, let me know privately if you need help with the KazaaLite.

I'm not the kind of guy to go around turning petty, small-minded criminals
like you in, but I sure look forward to hearing that the RIAA or Kazaa has
caught up with your immoral behavior and taken you to the cleaners. Of
course, I realize that statistically speaking, the odds are low they will
find you. But my fantasy remains alive, nonetheless.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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Jay, the goobers here all claim ignorance to the most obvious source of
music for burring: File sharing software. I'd bet a whole dollar that
most
of the folks saying "But it's illegal!" either are using, have used, or
have
a teenage in their house who currently uses this perfectly legal
software
for somewhat nefarious purposes.

It's illegal.


In a way it really does not seem to be that much differant than recording a
song you like off of the radio.

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Music companies have been screwing me by charging
way too much for their music for a long time. It's about time there was
some competition (illegal or no) that will bring them back to reality.

Here's a thought: don't like the way music companies have been screwing
you
by charging way too much for their music? DON'T BUY THEIR MUSIC! Really,
it's that simple. Using your rationalization, anyone who feels that a
particular car is overpriced, or that a particular airplanes is
overpriced,
is perfectly well justified in stealing that car or airplane.


Stealing cars and airplanes is not the same as downloading music. When
somebody invents a matter relicator that can perfectly copy cars and
airplanes then you better believe people will be using it. When that
happens then downloading music that someone is generous enough to share will
be the same as "stealing that car or airplane".

Earl G.

"Earl Grieda" wrote in message
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In a way it really does not seem to be that much differant than recording
a
song you like off of the radio.

You're right. That too is illegal. Royalties are paid for the song to be
played on the radio, but not for you to record it for your own record
collection.

Stealing cars and airplanes is not the same as downloading music.

You're right. When you steal a car or an airplane, you wind up with a car
or an airplane. When you steal music, you wind up with music.

However, other than that irrelevant difference, the two acts are identical.
They both are theft.

When
somebody invents a matter relicator that can perfectly copy cars and
airplanes then you better believe people will be using it.

And it will be just as illegal as unauthorized copying of copyrighted
material is today.

When that
happens then downloading music that someone is generous enough to share
will
be the same as "stealing that car or airplane".

It is the same today. A thief by any other name would have as great a
stench. It's still stealing.

Pete

The only difference is that copyright violations are usually
prosecuted under civil law (money) rather than criminal law
altho it's perfectly legit to go the criminal route. And it's
not just in the US. The Berne Convention/Treaty of 1986 makes
it illegal in most countries (those that signed. China hasn't).

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
Not that I expect a low-life like you to actually make good on your wager.


Yeah, whatever, Pete.

I just looked and have a grand total of 28 songs from various artists on my
hard drive that I've downloaded on this two year old, high quality system
that I built myself. I'm not exactly wearing a eye patch and flying a black
flag.

Besides all that, you are a lying hypocrite.

I dare you to sit there and tell me that you have never, ever, not once,
borrowed/made a copy of a computer game or downloaded a shareware program
and not ever paid for it.

If you say that, I'll never believe it and label you the lying hypocrite
that you are.

Psst: I spit on the sidewalk today, too.

--
Jim Fisher

Peter Duniho wrote:



You're right. That too is illegal. Royalties are paid for the song to be
played on the radio, but not for you to record it for your own record
collection.

There is nothing illegal about me recording music for my personal use
from the radio. Same goes for TV.

"Newps" wrote in message
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There is nothing illegal about me recording music for my personal use
from the radio. Same goes for TV.

If you save the recording, there is. You have the right to time-shift. You
do not have the right to archive (which is what's being discussed here).

"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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I dare you to sit there and tell me that you have never, ever, not once,
borrowed/made a copy of a computer game or downloaded a shareware program
and not ever paid for it.

Borrowing is perfectly legal. Even permanent transfer of the license is
perfectly legal (with or without payment to the original license holder).
Making a copy and redistributing the copy is not. As for paying for
shareware software, the whole point is that you download, try it, and if you
use it beyond whatever trial period is stipulated, you pay for it.
Downloading shareware software and then not paying for it is perfectly
legal, provided you don't use the software beyond the trial period.

As for whether I have ever done any of those legal things, yes I have.
However, I'm not guilty of any of the illegal things you seem to think
impossible to avoid.

But regardless, your original challenge was whether someone "uses this
perfectly legal software for somewhat nefarious purposes". Even if I had
made an illegal copy of a computer game, that would not have applied to your
original "one dollar" challenge.

I have never violated any copyrights through the use of file sharing
software. Not that I ever expect to see the dollar you wagered -- it's just
not in your nature to admit you were wrong -- but facts are facts.

If you say that, I'll never believe it and label you the lying hypocrite
that you are.

You won't believe it because you just can't stand the thought that someone
might actually have a point. You can label me whatever you like, it doesn't
give you a leg to stand on, nor does it change the fact that I'm not a
hypocrite, nor that I am not lying.

Psst: I spit on the sidewalk today, too.

No big surprise there. Why do you even bother to mention it?

News flash for you: the fact that you're a thief doesn't mean everyone else
is too.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote

Making a copy and redistributing the copy is not.

Pete, you have combined two separate and distinct actions into
one statement. I would readily agree that redistributing a copy
is illegal, however, I think that all of those copy machines in
our public libraries clouds the "making a copy" issue.

It is interesting to note that despite the entertainment industry's
attempts to convince the general public that "music downloading",
their words, will result in a lawsuit, to date all of the filed
lawsuits have been filed against "file sharing", those who make
music files on their computers available for others.

Bob Moore

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
You won't believe it because you just can't stand the thought that someone
might actually have a point. You can label me whatever you like, it
doesn't
give you a leg to stand on, nor does it change the fact that I'm not a
hypocrite, nor that I am not lying.

Everyone's a hypocrite. The only difference is in degree.

Am I a thief because I've downloaded a few dozen songs from the internet
from people who are making them available to me? In your eyes, perhaps. I
sleep comfortably, though, and can look in the mirror without flinching.

Psst: I spit on the sidewalk today, too.
No big surprise there. Why do you even bother to mention it?

Ohhh-kay, I'll explain it to ya', Pete. Listen up 'cause I won't repeat it:
I brought up the spitting on the sidewalk thing because I am not a "thief"
for downloading a few songs any more than I am a felon because I spit on the
sidewalk (which is against the law in my city). There is a difference in
degree that cannot be dismissed by hypocrites like you.

I happen to think that the quality of the songs downloaded from any on-line
source are great for sampling, only. To listen to them on burned CD on a
high quality system (even iTunes "legal" downloads) is like rubbing
fingernails on a chalk board, in my opinion. You get what you pay for. It
doesn't stop me from downloading a few tunes to listen to at work or
sampling a CD or two every now and then.

Someone who downloads gig's of songs and never buys a CD? He's a thief.
Someone who wants a sampling of a few "flying" songs and chooses not to buy
every single CD and downloads them for free? He's an aviation enthusiast
and nothing more.

--
Jim Fisher