A GA pilot in the White House

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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| In a previous article, "Roger Long"
om said:
| Would they let him fly or would the TFR's keep him grounded?
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| Who would bust him if he violated his own TFR?
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| More importantly, what would they call the flight? "Civil One"?

It might not be technically proper, but they probably would call it "Air
Force One" out of habit.

That points up the reason the Secret Service would not let him fly. Besides
being an unnecessary risk, the call sign "Air Force One" was adopted after a
near miss involving the Presidential airplane. Before that they used
ordinary call signs. The idea behind "Air Force One" was to encourage
controllers to be more careful. Putting a President up in an civil general
aviation aircraft would expose him to all kinds of dangers the Secret
Service would find unacceptable. The airplane would be more vulnerable to
ground fire, it is more susceptible to mid-air collisions, low level
maneuvering would be regarded as dangerous, etc. Imagine trying to cram the
Secret Service detail, "the football," and everything else that goes with
President aboard a typical GA plane. It is tough enough if the President
just wants to go fishing for an afternoon.

The President's political opponents would "Tilt," too. "How can he risk the
fate of the free world so irresponsibly?"

No, once you become President, you can forget about doing a lot of things
that most people take for granted. You are almost as much a prisoner as the
Emperor of China was in the Forbidden City.

It might not be technically proper, but they probably would call it "Air
Force One" out of habit.

White House One has a nice ring to it.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Imagine trying to cram the
Secret Service detail, "the football," and everything else that goes with
President aboard a typical GA plane.

How did they manage when Bush flew out to Lincoln? There was no Secret
Service detail in the S-3B.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Imagine trying to cram the
Secret Service detail, "the football," and everything else that goes with
President aboard a typical GA plane.

How did they manage when Bush flew out to Lincoln? There was no Secret
Service detail in the S-3B.

all the best -- Dan Ford

I recall there was one in the plane and a few more in the other plane in the
flight of two.
--
Jim in NC

Probably, but it does raise the question why the CIC requires a civilian
security detail when totally sorrounded by several thousand of his military
who have taken an oath to protect and serve, and to die following orders if
necessary - including those authorized to arm and launch tactical nukes - A
civilian is likely to be more loyal that that?
denny

"Morgans" wrote in I recall there was one in
the plane and a few more in the other plane in the
flight of two.

No, once you become President, you can forget about doing a lot of things
that most people take for granted.

Ford went skiing at Vail. Arguably that's more dangerous than flying.
I've met three paraplegics in my life, and two of them were injured at
Aspen, one on Ajax and the other in a swimming pool.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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| In a previous article, "Roger Long"
om said:
| Would they let him fly or would the TFR's keep him grounded?
|
| Who would bust him if he violated his own TFR?
|
| More importantly, what would they call the flight? "Civil One"?

It might not be technically proper, but they probably would call it "Air
Force One" out of habit.


C'mon CJ, I would expect a world famous flight instructor like yourself would
know this one, as I'm pretty sure it's in the AIM.

AF- "Air Force One"
USMC (from the White House Lawn)- "Marine One"
Navy "Navy One"
Army (has this one ever been used?)- "Army One"
and
Civil- "Executive One" (has a sitting president EVER flown in a civilian
aircraft since this nomeclature has been used?)

In a previous article, "Mike O'Malley" said:
Civil- "Executive One" (has a sitting president EVER flown in a civilian
aircraft since this nomeclature has been used?)

I remember Nixon going on a commercial flight once. The Secret Service
had kittens.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I think it's a beautiful day to go to the zoo and feed the ducks.
To the lions.
-- Brian Kantor

The Queen flew BA a year or two ago.

I believe she took over the first class cabin. The paying passengers
had to board and be seated (and presumably the ramp taken away) before
she boarded the aircraft.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, "Roger Long"
om said:
Would they let him fly or would the TFR's keep him grounded?

Who would bust him if he violated his own TFR?

More importantly, what would they call the flight? "Civil One"?


"Executive One."