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Roy Smith wrote:

"Marco Rispoli" wrote:

Can he fly a plane without a license?

Lots of people do.

On 2004-02-03 19:11:56 -0800, Roy Smith said:

I'm sure there are plenty of people flying around without licenses, on
expired medicals, etc.

And more than one person with no valid pilot certificate has been hired to
fly an airplane. There is the famous story from (I think) Eastern
Airlines, and in the interview for my previous job, the boss asked to see
my certificate just to make sure I had one, then related a story about how
he had once hired a guy and didn't discover until the guy was in training
that he didn't have a certificate.

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA

Larry Fransson wrote in message news:2004020322035116807%newsgroups@larryandjenny net...
On 2004-02-03 19:11:56 -0800, Roy Smith said:

I'm sure there are plenty of people flying around without licenses, on
expired medicals, etc.

And more than one person with no valid pilot certificate has been hired to
fly an airplane. There is the famous story from (I think) Eastern
Airlines, and in the interview for my previous job, the boss asked to see
my certificate just to make sure I had one, then related a story about how
he had once hired a guy and didn't discover until the guy was in training
that he didn't have a certificate.


i seem to remember ernest k. gann describing such an incident in
"fate is the hunter". (if you're into flying, that is a "must read").

g_a

Larry Fransson wrote:

On 2004-02-03 19:11:56 -0800, Roy Smith said:

I'm sure there are plenty of people flying around without licenses, on
expired medicals, etc.

Lots of them. Many years after I got my license (1966) I discovered
that the CFI who gave me about 2/3 of my primary training had lost his
medical certificate long before I became his student. (And he wasn't a
particularly good instructor either, which I quickly discovered after
flying with some really good CFIs.)

Joe Morris

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:11:56 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

"Marco Rispoli" wrote:
Can he fly a plane without a license? He can steal one (I don't think you
can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid student license and you
definetly can't rent one ... people with more knowledge in the FARs can
elaborate here).

There is nothing that says you can't own an airplane if you don't have a
pilot's license.

One more thing: this is the Northeast. I have the impression that things are
a bit more controlled around here. There's radar coverage everywhere and
airports are crowded and more under control.

Well, the controlled airports are under control, but the uncontrolled
ones aren't. There are plenty of uncontrolled airports in the
northeast. Still, to the best of my knowledge, the controllers at NY
Tracon can't see if I've got a piece of paper in my wallet or not.

Certainly, if you rent from an FBO or club, somebody's going to want to
see your license, medical, BFR endorsements, etc. But if you bought
your own plane, the odds are you could go a lifetime of flying without
anybody ever asking to see any paperwork. I'm sure there are plenty of
people flying around without licenses, on expired medicals, etc.

I have never had a situation arise where I had to prove that I had a
certificate. Of course, I never rented from anyone other than the FBO
where I trained. I can easily see how someone that had access to a
plane could fly indefinitely without having a valid cert.
Rich Russell

Richard Russell wrote:


I have never had a situation arise where I had to prove that I had a
certificate. Of course, I never rented from anyone other than the FBO
where I trained. I can easily see how someone that had access to a
plane could fly indefinitely without having a valid cert.

It's been a while, but doesn't the AME check the certificate? And doesn't
the FBO ask about a medical every few years?

Andrew

Roy Smith wrote in message ...
"Marco Rispoli" wrote:
Certainly, if you rent from an FBO or club, somebody's going to want to
see your license, medical, BFR endorsements, etc.

I've yet to have anyone ask to see my "license". I've been asked for
my medical and once for my BFR. I've never been asked for the required
endorsements.

-Robert

Marco Rispoli wrote:

I don't think you can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid student
license and you definetly can't rent one

Well, you *can* own one, but the courts can take steps to prevent you from using
it if there's good reason to believe that you intend to fly it yourself. The FAA
has in the past obtained court orders to padlock aircraft owned by people whose
certificates were revoked. Care to bet on whether they'll do it this time or not?
Care to bet on whether a PA judge will take longer than 5 seconds to issue the
order?

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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| Marco Rispoli wrote:
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| I don't think you can own a plane if you don't have at least a valid
student
| license and you definetly can't rent one
|
| Well, you *can* own one, but the courts can take steps to prevent you from
using
| it if there's good reason to believe that you intend to fly it yourself.
The FAA
| has in the past obtained court orders to padlock aircraft owned by people
whose
| certificates were revoked. Care to bet on whether they'll do it this time
or not?
| Care to bet on whether a PA judge will take longer than 5 seconds to issue
the
| order?
|

So what the heck? He just cuts the lock and flies off to another state where
he won't be recognized. Maybe Alaska.

C J Campbell wrote:

So what the heck? He just cuts the lock and flies off to another state where
he won't be recognized. Maybe Alaska.

Well, there could easily be many cases of which I have not heard, but the guy that
tried that at Solberg got chased and crashed when he ran it out of gas.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.