Single-engine plane with the best range?

(Bob) wrote in message . com...
Hello,

I've been reading news on flying for quite a while and these seems to
be the most well-informed groups (the googles)on the net. I would
therefore like to have your personnal opinion on a question. I live
in Northern Quebec (Yes, I'm french speaking so forgive the spelling
mistakes) and practice as a lawyer in the Nordic region of Quebec with
native people (no road access), we always travel by plane (Gruman G-1,
dash-8 or twin otter) and, as everyone, I am limited to the schedule
of these companies. I would like to fly my own plane to these
community; I would be able to charge less to my client for travelling,
I would be able to use these portion of flying as tax deductible (and
parts of the plane expense) and that would give me the possibility of
mixing my career with flying. My town airport as a 10000 feet (yes
almost two miles, it used to be military) airstrip and we are located
at 1016 feet ASL. The kind of places I would like to go are
Great-Whale (500 statute miles), Chisasibi (300 statute miles),
Kuujuaq(800 statute miles) and Puvirnituq (850 statute miles ), of
course I will be able to fuel between these objectives. My question
finally!

-From your personnal opinion what is the best small single-engine
plane for this kind of use?

-The number of seats is irrelevant, I don't intent to carry
passengers;
-the payload is irrelevant( except for fuel), I travel light;
-the speed is not a major item;
-I don't like taildagger, the crosswind can be strong up there;
-range is the major item, avgas or mogas is harder to get in the small
airport the northern community (You often have to buy the whole 45
gallons drum)so refuelling is very time-consuming;
-Price range would be less than 55,000 canadian $ (about 40,000 us$)

If you need more precision do not hesitate to contact me

Thank you very much for your collaboration,

Yours Truly

Bob

Province of Quebec, Canada

Hi Bob,

If speed, or payload are not the main issues try one of the Morane
Saulnier Rallye Series.
Some have long range tanks. My Rallye has about 90 ltr usable fuel
giving it a range of about 430 mls, the long range versions can take
about twice the fuel if I remember well.
Rallyes have good crosswind handling( 22kts demonstrated) are safe and
really STOL.
Many are used as tow planes for gliders.
There are drawbacks though, they are noisy, not very comfortable and
ugly too.
Probably you can find one for (far)less than 40K.
Check www.flyrallye.com for more info on these amazing aircraft.

Succes,
Kees.

For your going into back woods airports, especially in the winter, I suggest
a high wing aircraft... For fuel economy, ability to get parts, and every
mechanic at every small airport knowing the airplane (and having small parts
on hand), a Skyhawk (Cessna 172) is what I would suggest... For flying in
the winter the Skyhawk has one of the best heater systems in the business...
While, there are planes that will fly farther per gallon of gas, etc., range
is not your only need in that part of the continent - easy handling, good in
ifr conditions, strong strut braced wing for rough air, ability to handle
ice, reliability of systems, reasonable speed and still get in and out of
short strips, etc... And, you can have long range tanks added to the
airplane, and even a cabin tank if extreme range is necessary... I could go
on and on, but these are the major points as I see them...
denny

"Bob" wrote in message
om...
and practice as a lawyer in the Nordic region of Quebec with
native people (no road access), we always travel by plane (Gruman G-1,
dash-8 or twin otter) and, as everyone, I am limited to the schedule
of these companies. I would like to fly my own plane to these
community;

Bob,

As a number of the airstrips you are dealing with may not be paved,
you will probably want to use a high wing airplane to reduce the
chance of damage to the wing from stones and debris during takeoff and
landing.

That aside, it will be cheaper for you to travel by airline than by
general aviation airplane, so you will probably not save your clients
any money, unless the value of your time is factored in and you can
somehow do it faster in a light single.

For long legged single engine airplanes look at a late model Cessna
210 or Cessna 182RG, either turbocharged or normally aspirated. The
182RG series has a great deal of range at about 150 knots, the
turbocharged version is faster and gives you more flexibility with
altitude, wind and weather, which may be a factor in your area. The
210 cruises at about 170 knots, with the turbo version getting over
200 at high altitude.

The range charts in the POHs for the various airplanes will give you
some guidance of range versus power setting. You can substantially
increase range at lower power settings, although the speed reduction
is sometimes so great that it can be faster to stop for fuel.

Best of luck in the search,
Rick

(Bob) wrote in message . com...
Hello,

I've been reading news on flying for quite a while and these seems to
be the most well-informed groups (the googles)on the net. I would
therefore like to have your personnal opinion on a question. I live
in Northern Quebec (Yes, I'm french speaking so forgive the spelling
mistakes) and practice as a lawyer in the Nordic region of Quebec with
native people (no road access), we always travel by plane (Gruman G-1,
dash-8 or twin otter) and, as everyone, I am limited to the schedule
of these companies. I would like to fly my own plane to these
community; I would be able to charge less to my client for travelling,
I would be able to use these portion of flying as tax deductible (and
parts of the plane expense) and that would give me the possibility of
mixing my career with flying. My town airport as a 10000 feet (yes
almost two miles, it used to be military) airstrip and we are located
at 1016 feet ASL. The kind of places I would like to go are
Great-Whale (500 statute miles), Chisasibi (300 statute miles),
Kuujuaq(800 statute miles) and Puvirnituq (850 statute miles ), of
course I will be able to fuel between these objectives. My question
finally!

-From your personnal opinion what is the best small single-engine
plane for this kind of use?

-The number of seats is irrelevant, I don't intent to carry
passengers;
-the payload is irrelevant( except for fuel), I travel light;
-the speed is not a major item;
-I don't like taildagger, the crosswind can be strong up there;
-range is the major item, avgas or mogas is harder to get in the small
airport the northern community (You often have to buy the whole 45
gallons drum)so refuelling is very time-consuming;
-Price range would be less than 55,000 canadian $ (about 40,000 us$)

If you need more precision do not hesitate to contact me

Thank you very much for your collaboration,

Yours Truly

Bob

Province of Quebec, Canada

That aside, it will be cheaper for you to travel by airline than by
general aviation airplane


Depends where he's going, and when.

Jose

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Rick Durden wrote:

That aside, it will be cheaper for you to travel by airline than by
general aviation airplane, so you will probably not save your clients
any money, unless the value of your time is factored in and you can
somehow do it faster in a light single.

Only maybe. Even in the States, this is only true if you're traveling between
major cities or booking well in advance. I just checked Delta's price for Newark,
NJ to Knoxville, TN, leaving tomorrow and returning three days later. They want
$1,115.90 for coach. United wants $1,013.90. Continental wants $1,038.74. American
flies through Chicago.

By contrast, the loaded cost of my aircraft is about $60/hr and I average about
6 flight hours each way. That's about $720. One of the local airports charges
$78/hr to rent a 180hp Cessna 172. That's a faster airplane than mine, and I'd
guess the cost of the trip would be around $850. Even renting the Archer at
$89/hr would save me money over Delta.

Throw in the fact that I can leave from a local field instead of having to get
transport into Newark (last time I flew out of there, the limo fee was about
$45 each way), and there's not much contest.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Rick Durden wrote:

That aside, it will be cheaper for you to travel by airline than by
general aviation airplane, so you will probably not save your clients
any money, unless the value of your time is factored in and you can
somehow do it faster in a light single.

Only maybe. Even in the States, this is only true if you're traveling between
major cities or booking well in advance. I just checked Delta's price for
Newark,
NJ to Knoxville, TN, leaving tomorrow and returning three days later. They
want
$1,115.90 for coach. United wants $1,013.90. Continental wants $1,038.74.
American
flies through Chicago.

By contrast, the loaded cost of my aircraft is about $60/hr and I average
about
6 flight hours each way. That's about $720. One of the local airports charges
$78/hr to rent a 180hp Cessna 172. That's a faster airplane than mine, and I'd
guess the cost of the trip would be around $850. Even renting the Archer at
$89/hr would save me money over Delta.

Throw in the fact that I can leave from a local field instead of having to get
transport into Newark (last time I flew out of there, the limo fee was about
$45 each way), and there's not much contest.


Don't forget, the more people you bring with you makes it an even better deal,
you and a significant other want to take your trip, you're looking at 2 grand.
You plane- same cost, and an even better deal per seat.

Can you tell I've made a similar pithc before?

George,

What is the total time each way, general aviation and airline? Figure
in the value of your time as well, unless it is a pleasure trip, and
sadly, it's almost always cheaper to fly the airlines when you by
yourself....I can only justify general aviation travel when it is to a
remote location where airlines requires a long rental car drive and
the distance is under about 500 miles. When flying on business, I
have to calculate the cost of the travel as well as my time, and I
generally can't justify taking the more expensive route.

If more than one person is involved in the trip, general aviation may
become cheaper. Then, if someone is going with me, it's usually
cheaper to take g.a. aircraft. If two or more are going with me, we
always beat the airline fares by a fairly wide margin, even using a
twin.

With airfares from Grand Rapids to Denver, round trip, of under $300,
I can't even begin to compete with a g.a. airplane. On short notice,
as you pointed out, the airlines get more expensive, but if I'm trying
to rent on short notice, it's rare I can get my hands on an airplane.
Then again, if I can, here in the Great Lakes area, I use a twin when
going over the lakes, so the rental rapidly exceeds the cost of
airline travel, again unless I'm going to someplace out of the way.

All the best,
Rick

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...
Rick Durden wrote:

That aside, it will be cheaper for you to travel by airline than by
general aviation airplane, so you will probably not save your clients
any money, unless the value of your time is factored in and you can
somehow do it faster in a light single.

Only maybe. Even in the States, this is only true if you're traveling between
major cities or booking well in advance. I just checked Delta's price for Newark,
NJ to Knoxville, TN, leaving tomorrow and returning three days later. They want
$1,115.90 for coach. United wants $1,013.90. Continental wants $1,038.74. American
flies through Chicago.

By contrast, the loaded cost of my aircraft is about $60/hr and I average about
6 flight hours each way. That's about $720. One of the local airports charges
$78/hr to rent a 180hp Cessna 172. That's a faster airplane than mine, and I'd
guess the cost of the trip would be around $850. Even renting the Archer at
$89/hr would save me money over Delta.

Throw in the fact that I can leave from a local field instead of having to get
transport into Newark (last time I flew out of there, the limo fee was about
$45 each way), and there's not much contest.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

Rick Durden wrote:

George,

What is the total time each way, general aviation and airline?

Varies. With the advance time you have to show up for security and such, I can
make about the same time or better. United is fastest at 4 hours from takeoff in
NJ to landing in TN, but I'd have to be at the airport at about 5am for that
flight. Delta is 4.5 hours leaving mid-morning. Continental is 6 hours with two
changes.

I take about 6.5 from takeoff in NJ to landing in TN.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.