John Kerry: No ATC Privatization on His Watch

Chip Jones wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:


Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.



Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?



After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...

You guys there in ZTL could pick up a few pointers from the guys running
traffic for the Vegas area. What the hell's going on there?

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Newps wrote:


After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...

You guys there in ZTL could pick up a few pointers from the guys running
traffic for the Vegas area. What the hell's going on there?

at ZTL, or L30?

L30 is pretty damn tight now. the newest installment of RNAV
procedures work WONDERFULLY for the place. Though, I'd really like to
see what will happen in the next couple of years when Ivanpah Int'l is
built, and how the 4 Corners Post is affected by it, and the shift of
Int'l and cargo flights to that field.

BL.
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"Newps" wrote in message
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Chip Jones wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:


Well, I am sure the controller's union will be happy about that.



Kerry could have come out for privatization and still got NATCA's
backing. It's a union, who else are they going to support?



After all, Stalin is dead and we can't find Hoffa...

You guys there in ZTL could pick up a few pointers from the guys running
traffic for the Vegas area. What the hell's going on there?


Dunno bro. My first thought was job action, except that NATCA holds
advanced union rep training in Vegas. In fact, there was a big love-in last
month out there. All of the NATCA High Lords and Ladies spent a lot of time
stuck in airports and airplanes trying to get in and out of Vegas in what
should have been routine crappy weather at their own facilities. You gotta
wonder...

Maybe when Atlanta gets her 5th runway we can go out to Vegas to learn how
to pack that 20 mile final.

Chip, ZTL

In article , Larry Dighera
writes:


While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,

Assuming everyone who flies is strupid enough to make their choice on that
single issue.

As I look at it, it isn't that important. If Kerry gets his way, few of us will
be able to afford to fly anyway.


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Chip Jones wrote:

Maybe when Atlanta gets her 5th runway we can go out to Vegas to learn how
to pack that 20 mile final.

Where are they putting the new one? Parallel to and south of the others?

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote:

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article , Larry Dighera
wrote:

While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot box,
I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.

yeah, I'm wondering where live shot was on this issue during
the clinton years.

In any case, I'm sure live shot won't waffle on this issue.

He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.



Does this mean you will no longer be allowed to log unilateral
approaches?

Chip Jones wrote:


Dunno bro. My first thought was job action, except that NATCA holds
advanced union rep training in Vegas. In fact, there was a big love-in last
month out there. All of the NATCA High Lords and Ladies spent a lot of time
stuck in airports and airplanes trying to get in and out of Vegas in what
should have been routine crappy weather at their own facilities. You gotta
wonder...

It was routine but not even the newest TRACON controller calls 4000
scattered crappy.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Chip Jones wrote:

Maybe when Atlanta gets her 5th runway we can go out to Vegas to learn
how
to pack that 20 mile final.

Where are they putting the new one? Parallel to and south of the others?


Yep. Now if FAA can just get the ARTCC controllers back to the negotiating
table to redesign the Atlanta STARS the new runway might actually make a
difference in the arrival rate. ZTL controllers have pulled out of all of
the national, regional and local airspace workgroups because we don't have
enough staffing to attend the meetings. As it stands now, they will build
it but no one will come...

Chip, ZTL

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:04:02 GMT, "Chip Jones"
wrote:

Yep. Now if FAA can just get the ARTCC controllers back to the negotiating
table to redesign the Atlanta STARS the new runway might actually make a
difference in the arrival rate. ZTL controllers have pulled out of all of
the national, regional and local airspace workgroups because we don't have
enough staffing to attend the meetings. As it stands now, they will build
it but no one will come...

My experience in the large business arena says that not only will they
build it anyway, but someone who knows nothing about what needs to be
done to make it worthwhile will come up with and send out procedures
on how it will be used regardless of whether the people who have to
implement them are represented on the panel drawing them up or
not.....

"Pixel Dent" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote:

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article , Larry Dighera
wrote:

While this AVflash blurb points the way for airmen at the ballot
box,
I find it interesting that Kerry has overlooked the fact that it was
Clinton/Gore who initiated the notion ATC privatization.

yeah, I'm wondering where live shot was on this issue during
the clinton years.

In any case, I'm sure live shot won't waffle on this issue.

He'll probably turn over ATC functions to the UN after he's inaugurated.



Does this mean you will no longer be allowed to log unilateral
approaches?

Only if you don't bring forty passengers with you.