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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:35:40 PM UTC-4, PapaFox wrote:
Sean, I understand how you feel, but you are not a BRSS member and should refrain from from accusing BRSS, it's Board and decisions they made based on our bylaws and operating rules. As Hank said, you do not have all the facts. Nor do I, but as a BRSS member I am standing up for our club. I am confident that the issue will be resolved, maybe not in time for JP to fly our club's LS 4 or LS 6 in Ohio. BRSS is committed to support young glider pilots and is encouraging and training XC and competition flying. Until our rules are changed, watch out for JP flying PF, she runs and climbs like stink.. Peter PF BRSS members are covering the added cost of insurance so there will be no additional costs for JP. Thanks Peter for continuing your excellent support of JP. UH |
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Since when do people make plans and reservations to fly a contest when they
don't have a glider? And why does that make anyone unwilling to loan his glider a bad guy? Why doesn't the person making all the accusations offer HIS glider rather than just his (usual) lip? "Kevin Christner" wrote in message ... Sean, Once again you make completely unfounded accusations without knowing any of the facts surrounding the issue. Its a shame that we live in America and not Great Britain, where the numerous people you libel could more easily sue you. 2C On Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:00:20 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote: UH I will DEFINITELY help out with F2 once I get 7T insured and ready to go. Count on that. That said, it is worth noting however that I have few youth pilots in MI or (for that matter) the entire great lakes region, unfortunately. It would be best if we had glider owners in the Jr pilots general area (or at his club who) helped out. At the end of the day there are VERY FEW young pilots in the USA with JP's dedication to becoming a contest soaring pilot. But bottom line, this club's foot dragging, political crap has today absolutely screwed a promising young Jr Pilot (we have what, maybe 3-4 of them in the US right now? If that?) out of his first contest experience (completely planned, paid for including air-fare, etc) because they could not (or would not) make a decision and let the boy know the situation on his use of the glider in a timely manner. There is no excuse for this kind of treatment of a preciously rare US Jr contest pilot. I'm sure they have been "supportive." But this contest flying has been the goal for JP all along. They ABSOLUTELY know/knew that at this "club." And here we are at the one yard line and they have essentially kicked JP and his family in the proverbial "balls" while saying (wink, wink) "sorry?" WTF? Are you kidding me? There is a big difference between talking supportive and "being supportive!" Talk vs walk. If they were truly supportive they would not have waited until TWO DAYS before the contest to tell JP, "sorry pal, will get to this at some point in the future......wink, wink.... Maybe you can fly your RC glider this weekend instead? Give me a break people trying to defend this action by this club... They blew it. Perhaps even on purpose. 2 days before the event means almost no chance of making other arrangements. That's just awful. This whole idea of supporting Jr. contest pilots in the US would stand a much higher chance of being successful if we had an official program thru the SSA that covered (some or all) insurance issues for the young pilots. I am willing to work on this if we can get enough pilots willing to do this kind of thing and make it worthwhile. Oh, and by the way, I have just heard that a friend of JP has offered him his LS8! Fantastic and thank you whoever you are. You are my (our) hero today. JP just has to pay for the insurance which is $500 to fly in this contest (thanks to his club) but I imagine would allow him to fly for a year if the owner was willing. Imagine how awful this weekend would have been for this poor kid if someone had not stepped up last minute and bailed this kid out. Even though I am sure this last minute change, needing to learning a completely new glider which JP has never flown before, going to pick up the glider, travel arrangements, etc is going to be a tremendous hassle for both JP and that generous and outstanding glider owner, it is far better than the situation his OWN CLUB put him in this morning. Inexcusable! Shame on this club for doing this to JP today. Absolutely shameful. Low as it gets. Sean F2 On Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:05:25 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote: It is incredibly disappointing to see a talented young, motivated Jr pilot (should be treated like gold bullion by the US soaring community) treated like this by his own club. He is trying to gain enough experience to compete at an upcoming Jr Worlds. Then this... From what I know, he has taken this "club" glider to the Caesar Creek camp last year, and to the Seminole Lake glider camp this March. All on his own dime. The club "leadership?" has been telling him for many months that they are "working" on it in terms of getting him final approval all the while telling him it should not be a problem. Around 6 months I believe... And now here we are, 2 days before the first practice day and they finally take the time to tell him "sorry kid, but we won't allow you to go." This after fully knowing that all arrangements (hotel, airfare, work schedules, registration, etc) have been made. This is the kind of thing that makes a Jr Pilot take up another sport. Shameful. Thanks for posting this Gary. This is the kind of thing that needs to be brought out into the open. Unfortunate but we don't have all the facts so castigating BRSS, who has been hugely supportive of JP, doesn't seem to me to be appropriate. I've reached out to one possible supporter to see if he can help JP. We need individuals to help these young people. I've done it several times. Hopefully more people will look for these opportunities and jump in to help. UH |
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Dan, there is back story to this that I chose not to share (with respect to your first comment). If you would like more info, I would be glad to answer your questions in a private manner.
JP |
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Thanks for the offer, JP, but my real problem is being so tired of the
endless tirades of a certain individual who wants to blame the world for all of his perceived injustices. My intent (hopeless, I know) is to get him to (once and for all) put up or shut up. "Jp Stewart" wrote in message ... Dan, there is back story to this that I chose not to share (with respect to your first comment). If you would like more info, I would be glad to answer your questions in a private manner. JP |
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So, despite New Castles failure (sorry, but its true...) to support JP with the LS6 glider for this contest (something I hope does not happen again) JP was able to use a fine gentlemans LS8 and (wait for it...) finish in...........
SECOND PLACE TO MANFRED FRANKE BY 11 POINTS INCLUDING A 10 POINT FINISH PENALTY ON THE FINAL DAY WHICH HE WON BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN. He was second the two previous days. That's right folks, a 2-2-1 and nearly winning his first ever contest. Very difficult conditions with many land outs, etc. JP is an extraordinarily talented pilot and is highly mature for is 18 yr old age. That was HIS FIRST EVER CONTEST. OH AND BY THE WAY, IF YOUR WONDERING HOW ALL THESE YOUNG PILOTS ARE DOING TO WELL, SO QUICKLY, THEY ALL FLY CONDOR REGUARLY TO TRAIN FOR CONTEST SOARING. Hmmmmm? Imagine if JP was unable to find a way to attend this planned first ever contest and lost this opportunity because his club waited until 3 days before the contest to tell him that he was unable to use the glider he was scheduled to use for basically 12 months since last years prerequisite attendance of the Ceasar Creek Soaring Camp. Seriously. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that he might have won this event if he had been able to use the glider he was familiar with. Also kudos to Daniel Sahzin who was sitting in third place in sports class after 2 days in his borrowed 126. Another truly outstanding US Jr pilot. Two amazingly talented US Jr Pilots (can you believe it!!!) who deserve all the support their clubs, the SSA and the sport in general here in the USA can offer them. Lets develop them, not stand in their way. These kids should be at many contest over the next years, developing their skills with the goal of a Jr world championship and beyond. Also, huge thanks to Peter for loaning JP this glider. Absolutely outstanding of him to help JP in this way. Sean F2 |
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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:12:39 AM UTC-5, Sean F (F2) wrote:
So, despite New Castles failure (sorry, but its true...) to support JP with the LS6 glider for this contest (something I hope does not happen again) JP was able to use a fine gentlemans LS8 and (wait for it...) finish in........... SECOND PLACE TO MANFRED FRANKE BY 11 POINTS INCLUDING A 10 POINT FINISH PENALTY ON THE FINAL DAY WHICH HE WON BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN. He was second the two previous days. That's right folks, a 2-2-1 and nearly winning his first ever contest. Very difficult conditions with many land outs, etc. JP is an extraordinarily talented pilot and is highly mature for is 18 yr old age. That was HIS FIRST EVER CONTEST. OH AND BY THE WAY, IF YOUR WONDERING HOW ALL THESE YOUNG PILOTS ARE DOING TO WELL, SO QUICKLY, THEY ALL FLY CONDOR REGUARLY TO TRAIN FOR CONTEST SOARING. Hmmmmm? Imagine if JP was unable to find a way to attend this planned first ever contest and lost this opportunity because his club waited until 3 days before the contest to tell him that he was unable to use the glider he was scheduled to use for basically 12 months since last years prerequisite attendance of the Ceasar Creek Soaring Camp. Seriously. Think about that for a moment. Imagine that he might have won this event if he had been able to use the glider he was familiar with. Also kudos to Daniel Sahzin who was sitting in third place in sports class after 2 days in his borrowed 126. Another truly outstanding US Jr pilot. Two amazingly talented US Jr Pilots (can you believe it!!!) who deserve all the support their clubs, the SSA and the sport in general here in the USA can offer them. Lets develop them, not stand in their way. These kids should be at many contest over the next years, developing their skills with the goal of a Jr world championship and beyond. Also, huge thanks to Peter for loaning JP this glider. Absolutely outstanding of him to help JP in this way. Sean F2 Sean, After meeting you for the first time in person and talking to you at the CCSC (Region 6 S) contest last week, I was hoping you might find the courage to apologize here for the comments you made on a widely beloved glider club you clearly know nothing about. Instead, you decide to pile on and call the club's actions a failure. I explained to you that within less than 24 hours of JP's initial note (to the BRSS club members only, a note that was hijacked and posted here) this became an entire non-event through Peter's generous offer and the donation of more than sufficient funds to put JP on Peter's insurance policy. Your insensitivity on this forum is remarkable. Herb |
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Herb it was a pleasure meeting you. Your opinions, again, are noted. Obviously, we see is event very differently. ;-).
As we spoke the other night around the campfire, I simply focus on the facts. Well meaning for not, this club let this young pilot down. 10 days ago he had no glider, no options and little support 3 days prior to his first contest. I find that inexcusable and I hope other clubs learn from this poor management and find ways not to repeat such behavior and "ball dropping....." Best, Sean F2 |
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At 14:49 08 June 2013, Dan Marotta wrote:
Thanks for the offer, JP, but my real problem is being so tired of the endless tirades of a certain individual who wants to blame the world for all of his perceived injustices. My intent (hopeless, I know) is to get him to (once and for all) put up or shut up. I can now see why you cling so tightly to your right to bear arms over there. Stress, the confusion caused when the brain overides the body's basic desire to kick the living **** out of some @rsehole who desperately needs it. |
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On Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:41:09 PM UTC-4, Sean F (F2) wrote:
Herb it was a pleasure meeting you. Your opinions, again, are noted. Obviously, we see is event very differently. ;-). As we spoke the other night around the campfire, I simply focus on the facts. Well meaning for not, this club let this young pilot down. 10 days ago he had no glider, no options and little support 3 days prior to his first contest. I find that inexcusable and I hope other clubs learn from this poor management and find ways not to repeat such behavior and "ball dropping...." Best, Sean F2 Sean, your praise of JP Stewart is most deserved and well earned by JP. Remarkable for a "first timer" to enjoy such success. Great job JP. However, with due respect Sean, you are full of COW PILES regarding your damnation of the Blue Ridge Soaring Society. First, who do you think nurtured JP from a fledgling, provided a soaring site with equipment and training basically at no charge, and opened a portal for JP to grow and thrive? Secondly, the integrity of a club's structure comes first. No one club member is ever worth circumventing written club policy...right or wrong as the policy may be. I do not know the "conditions" of this situation but I respect BRSS's wisdom to realize there was some sort of endangering issue and it was not in the best interest of the organization to proceed. I am also confident the BRSS will correct the SNAFU and continue to support and encourage youth growth in our beloved sport. We all agree you are entitled to your opinion but all who really know the BRSS would agree you have stepped way out of bounds and your apology is expected without delay. If not an apology, please refrain from further comments regarding BRSS's operation of which you know absolutely nothing about. ben |
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We "cling" tightly to our right to keep and bear arms because we value the preservation of a free state. An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject. Our founding fathers recognized a need and decided to insure that need would not be infringed. I personally would like to see some adequate training in safety and marksmanship before one would be allowed possession of a firearm. Just my humble opinion. Walt |
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