Rental policy

"gatt" writes:

But what if you fly someplace and, say, the alternator
fails while you're gone? You certainly don't fly back,

Why not? If the return flight is a couple of hours, get the battery
charged up, have someone handprop or use up some battery to crank it,
take off, turn off all the electricals and fly it home. If you need
to enter controlled airspace turn things back on briefly.

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in
a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating
the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and
it won't apply to you.

The part about remaining with the airplane or paying $5/mile (up to the
$1000 maximum...yikes!) certainly would.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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[...]
It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in
a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating
the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and
it won't apply to you.

The part about remaining with the airplane or paying $5/mile (up to the
$1000 maximum...yikes!) certainly would.

Nah. A good lawyer could get you off easy! The way that
clause is written, you're supposed to remain with the plane
for 3 days at the remote location even if what needs to be
repaired is no worse than it was when you took off. And
what does "remain" mean anyway? Sleep in the back seat?

I wouldn't worry about it. It's just some pettifogger's way
of trying to protect themselves after some renter ripped them
off.

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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[...] you're supposed to remain with the plane
for 3 days at the remote location even if what needs to be
repaired is no worse than it was when you took off.

Who said anything about "what needs to be repaired is no worse than it was
when you took off"? It's a given that you would leave the plane at the FBO
if it weren't airworthy there. The question is what happens when it becomes
known to be unairworthy after arriving somewhere else.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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[...] you're supposed to remain with the plane
for 3 days at the remote location even if what needs to be
repaired is no worse than it was when you took off.

Who said anything about "what needs to be repaired is no worse than it was
when you took off"?

I did, but only as an illustration as to how the clause could
be interpreted.

The question is what happens when it becomes
known to be unairworthy after arriving somewhere else.

Well, if it wasn't broken when you took off, the clause
hasn't anything to say on the matter. Otherwise, who knows?
The clause says nothing about 'airworthiness'. Don't take
off when things 'need repair' and it won't be an issue.

"If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being
flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the PIC
must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being
repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food,
travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to
leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible for
the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive the
plane."


I've never seen something like that before. I wouldn't fly there.


It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in
a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating
the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and
it won't apply to you.


"if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of"

Suppose you take off in a good airplane, land in Kalazazoo, and the vacuum
system dies. Not your fault. You didn't take off (to Kalamazoo) in a plane
that you knew needed repairs; in fact it didn't. But now you're there, and the
lawyers eat you.

Run, don't walk.

Jose




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The lawyers would starve on this one!

This only applies if the pilot knew about the problem before taking off...

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

"If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being
flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the
PIC
must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being
repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food,
travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to
leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible
for
the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive
the
plane."


I've never seen something like that before. I wouldn't fly there.


It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in
a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating
the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and
it won't apply to you.


"if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of"

Suppose you take off in a good airplane, land in Kalazazoo, and the vacuum
system dies. Not your fault. You didn't take off (to Kalamazoo) in a
plane
that you knew needed repairs; in fact it didn't. But now you're there,
and the
lawyers eat you.

Run, don't walk.

Jose




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Have you considered the possibility of something failing AFTER you've
departed? Stranger things have happened. Everyone is assuming that the
pilot is departing in an unairworthy plane. Alternators can fail. Birds
can strike the wing or windshield. Quit reading more into this than
there is.

Dave

Bill Denton wrote:

The lawyers would starve on this one!

This only applies if the pilot knew about the problem before taking off...

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

"If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being
flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the

PIC

must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being
repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food,
travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to
leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible

for

the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive

the

plane."


I've never seen something like that before. I wouldn't fly there.


It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in
a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating
the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and
it won't apply to you.


"if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of"

Suppose you take off in a good airplane, land in Kalazazoo, and the vacuum
system dies. Not your fault. You didn't take off (to Kalamazoo) in a

plane

that you knew needed repairs; in fact it didn't. But now you're there,

and the

lawyers eat you.

Run, don't walk.

Jose




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The lawyers would starve on this one!

The town had one lawyer. He was starving. Another moved in and now they are
both doing a brisk business.

Jose

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Thanks to everyone for their interpretations. I think I'll just check out
some more FBO's .... I'm sure someone else has comparable rates without
these types of restrictions.

Now if I could only afford my own plane.......

Robert

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

"If the PIC determines that the plane needs repair before being
flown, and the PIC has flown the plane away from its home location, the
PIC
must remain with the plane for three (3) days while the plane is being
repaired. The PIC is responsible for all costs of his own lodging, food,
travel expenses, etc. during this three day period. If the PIC elects to
leave the plane during this three day repair period, you are responsible
for
the smaller of $5 per mile or $1000 for an FBO staff member to retreive
the
plane."


I've never seen something like that before. I wouldn't fly there.


It shouldn't really affect you in any case. If you take off in
a plane you know needs to be repaired, you are violating
the FARs as well as the rental policy. Just fly legally and
it won't apply to you.


"if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of"

Suppose you take off in a good airplane, land in Kalazazoo, and the vacuum
system dies. Not your fault. You didn't take off (to Kalamazoo) in a
plane
that you knew needed repairs; in fact it didn't. But now you're there,
and the
lawyers eat you.

Run, don't walk.

Jose




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