Does the CFI ride count towards your BFR?

"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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And if the examinar didnt sign me off for a BFR when I did my cfi ride
last year??


I wouldn't worry that much about it. My personal opinion is that it is
legal, but there are a lot of people who disagree. Who is ever going to ask
you about it?

If it really bothers you, get someone to sign off a BFR for you.

Please note that right after Pilot certificate, is says , rating, is
not the a rating.

I don't understand what you said.

neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said that there is a requirement
for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a

The FAA said, via the FAQs:

However, to make sure the applicant gets credit for successful
completion of the Flight Review, the examiner should record that the
§61.56 Flight Review was satisfactorily completed in the applicant’s
logbook.

On Thu, 13 May 2004 05:24:46 GMT, Greg Esres
wrote:

The FARs do not says that, nor does AOPA's legal department.

Yes, the FARs do, as noted below. It says "pilot certificate", not
"any certificate" as AOPA says.

61.56
...
(d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of
this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an
examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a
PILOT certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish
the flight review required by this section



Given the fine line between certificate and pilot certificate. I do
believe you are still legal according to this reg. After pilot
certificate it states "rating, or operating privilege." A CFI is not
a rating, but is an additional privilege so if you are looking for a
fine line technicality you have it within the constructs of 61.56(d).

There is also something called the spirit of the law which plays
heavily in decisions made by courts where an issue is raised over such
a minute detail. The spirit of this law appears to encompass all
ratings/certificates so you really don't have a problem.

As others have said...If you are worried about it have the guy who
signed you off for the ride give you a BFR, I doubt he'd have a
problem with it.

z

Greg Esres wrote:
neither the FAA nor the AOPA have said that there is a requirement
for the examiner to sign off the check ride as a

The FAA said, via the FAQs:

However, to make sure the applicant gets credit for successful
completion of the Flight Review, the examiner should record that the
§61.56 Flight Review was satisfactorily completed in the applicant's
logbook.

Until John can get some of the basic FAQs correct, that FAQ counts for zilch
in my book.

I pay AOPA $52 each year for legal services. I called them. They assured
me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

Hilton

They assured me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

Ask them for the basis of that determination. It conflicts with the
regulation as written.

John Lynch's interpretation is wishy-washy. He says it counts and
then says it doesn't. Again, it conflicts with the regulation as
written.

What everyone is saying, really, is that it should count so we'll
pretend that it does.

Given the fine line between certificate and pilot certificate.

Pilot certificate is clearly defined in the regs. "Flight Instructor"
isn't one.

A CFI is not a rating, but is an additional privilege so if you are
lo

A CFI is a flight instructor certificate with various ratings attached
to it.

"Operating privilege" is not defined in the regs anywhere I can find,
but since a CFI is a certificate and a rating, it most likely doesn't
fall under "Operating privilege".

There is no way to interpret this reg as allowing the CFI to count as
a Flight Review, without incorporating a heavy dose of wishful
thinking.

On Thu, 13 May 2004 06:14:01 GMT, "J.M. Farrington"
wrote:

Please note that right after Pilot certificate, is says , rating, is not
the a rating.

No. It is a certificate, but not a Pilot Certificate.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On Thu, 13 May 2004 15:23:32 GMT, "Hilton" wrote:

Until John can get some of the basic FAQs correct, that FAQ counts for zilch
in my book.

I pay AOPA $52 each year for legal services. I called them. They assured
me that my CFI checkrides count. I'm set.

The only opinion that really counts will be that of the FAA inspector that
decides to review your log book. If it were a concern of mine, I would
check with my local FSDO, and escalate if I did not get the answer I
thought was correct.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

I've always considered that it didn't, because like others have said, the
CFI cert. is not a pilot certificate, it's an instructor's certificate, just
as a Ground Instructor's certificate is an instructors certificate. It's
just my opinion, but this seems the safest and that I feel the 1 hour
ground/1 hour flight instruction is well worth the time and expense.

I don't think that a person should be too worried about a FSDO inspector
getting too picky and looking to bust you about it. What I would be more
concerned about is a DE haveing a point of issue with it while during your
next check ride he asks you to show him that you are a legally qualified
pilot. It would be a difficult arguement to have while you were in a
difficult position. That would be my main reason to double cover myself, if
that is what you want to call it.

Good luck.

Jim Burns

"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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Can't get a clear cut answer from anyone on this....
Got my CFI last may, does my 24 calendar months start on that date til
when I need a BFR?
Or would I have to go back to my Multi Training for a starting date