From the COPA website...

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:42:19 GMT, G.R. Patterson III wrote:

You already rely on the US military for all the freedoms you now enjoy.

How, pray tell, does an Austrian rely on the U.S. military for his freedoms?


He sure meant the liberation from nazi-germany during WWII. and we and at
least the next 10 generations have to feel guilty and thankful at the same
time.

George Patterson

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Martin Hotze wrote:

Joint forcs? NATO? any other treaties? no idea.
maybe it is not hte Canadians who jam the signal .. no idea.

The Canadians are evaluating GPS devices for handling signal
interference/degradation/jamming. They will be jamming the signal in a
relatively limited area. The US isn't the one turning off the signal to
their country. This was apparent (at least to anybody with a modicum of
reading comprehension) from the very beginning of the COPA article.

The US isn't violating any treaties here and are continuing to provide the
GPS signal. You can snidely comment on their motives all you want, but the
fact remains that the US has borne the price of the GPS system entirely on
their own and make the signal available to the rest of the world in an
effort to avoid another catastrophe like KAL007.

Yet another reason to hate America (or at least deride them), I suppose.

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:05:34 GMT, John T wrote:

Martin Hotze wrote:

Joint forcs? NATO? any other treaties? no idea.
maybe it is not hte Canadians who jam the signal .. no idea.

The Canadians are evaluating GPS devices for handling signal
interference/degradation/jamming. They will be jamming the signal in a
relatively limited area. The US isn't the one turning off the signal to
their country. This was apparent (at least to anybody with a modicum of
reading comprehension) from the very beginning of the COPA article.

The US isn't violating any treaties here and are continuing to provide the
GPS signal.

oh. sorry. there must be lost something in translation. *methinks* .. hm.
OK, AFAIR the question came up to: "but the Canadians/CAN airspace has a
small portion of airspace with jammed GPS signal" and I answered and meant:
maybe the CAN armed forces and US forces teamed up for a joined training,
or maybe there are treaties to help each other out (CAN--US).

You can snidely comment on their motives all you want, but the
fact remains that the US has borne the price of the GPS system entirely on
their own and make the signal available to the rest of the world in an

I don't blame anybody. I only stated that the system is a US (military)
system and that I won't use it for business use where I have to rely on the
availability. I haven't said anything else. Anything else is only your
interpretation.

effort to avoid another catastrophe like KAL007.

Yet another reason to hate America (or at least deride them), I suppose.

why?

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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:55:34 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:

This is the sort of malicious sniping, innuendo, and outright lies that
have so lowered Americans' opinions of Europeans.

Nah...it's just lowered our opinion of Martin.
^^^

Oh, finally somebody who comes up as a speaker for more than himself. :-)

I can't believe the rest of
Europe is filled with such bigoted idiots, though I'm sure Martin's not the
only one.

IMHO (speaking of the USofA) I'm one of the ones who can keep the land, the
general public and politics separate. There are many others, but less than
there are in your country with your mindset.

Most of what Martin posts to this newsgroup is stupid "I hate America" crap.

*Whow* ... how impressing. how stupid, and how wrong. :-)

I don't know why anyone is still reading him.

you know, the free world.

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Martin Hotze wrote:

oh. sorry. there must be lost something in translation.

Yes, I think so. The original post quoted a COPA article talking about
Canada's Department of National Defence conducting GPS jamming exercises
near Ottawa (in Canada). You replied with:
"the GPS system is owned by the US DOD. What do you expect? It is their
system and they do with it whatever they please."

What does Canada's jamming of a US-provided signal have to do with the GPS
system being owned by the US? Why would the US even be involved? Hell,
Austria could jam the signal if they wanted to. You brought up the US is
"doing what they please" as if they had some sort of involvement in Canada's
jamming exercise.

You were wrong.

I don't blame anybody. I only stated that the system is a US
(military) system and that I won't use it for business use where I
have to rely on the availability. I haven't said anything else.
Anything else is only your interpretation.

I'm sure that's all you meant. What about recreational purposes? Is *all*
of your flying for business purposes? Do you *never* use GPS?

Forget it. I don't really care. Wait for the European system. Meanwhile,
I'll be over here using the system to help me get where I'm going
efficiently and to help rescuers find me if I were to ever crash.

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Martin Hotze wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:42:19 GMT, G.R. Patterson III wrote:

You already rely on the US military for all the freedoms you now enjoy.

How, pray tell, does an Austrian rely on the U.S. military for his freedoms?

He sure meant the liberation from nazi-germany during WWII.

Oh, I see. So, since my father had the job of carrying a BAR through your fair
country nearly 60 years ago, you owe me something?

I like that logic a lot. Papa spent the rest of his life working for Union Carbide
and Martin Marietta at Oak Ridge. They must owe me a bunch!!

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Martin Hotze wrote:

This is one reason why Europe will launch their own satellites.

What happened to GLONAS? Might be cheaper to pay the Russians to rejuvenate that.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"John T" wrote in message
ws.com...
Martin Hotze wrote:

Joint forcs? NATO? any other treaties? no idea.
maybe it is not hte Canadians who jam the signal .. no idea.

The Canadians are evaluating GPS devices for handling signal
interference/degradation/jamming. They will be jamming the signal in a
relatively limited area. The US isn't the one turning off the signal to
their country. This was apparent (at least to anybody with a modicum of
reading comprehension) from the very beginning of the COPA article.

The US isn't violating any treaties here and are continuing to provide the
GPS signal. You can snidely comment on their motives all you want, but
the
fact remains that the US has borne the price of the GPS system entirely on
their own and make the signal available to the rest of the world in an
effort to avoid another catastrophe like KAL007.

Bull**** - It is difficult to stop making the signal available to the rest
of the world, but doing so is a good reminder of how accurate the US can
target its missiles when it wants to bomb someone.

"S Green" wrote in message


Bull**** - It is difficult to stop making the signal available to the
rest of the world

Bull**** yourself, bud. All it takes is turning off the civilian signal.
In response to the KAL007 downing in 1983, Reagan ensured that the civilian
signal would be providied gratis, but the signal was still degraded until
1996 when Clinton directed that the degradation be eliminated. Also, the
civilian signal is a separate signal from the one used by the military.

http://tinyurl.com/2va88

On providing the service for free:
"The more we looked at it, the more convinced we became that by providing
the signal free of direct user fees we would encourage technological
development and industrial growth. The benefits from that, the new jobs
created, and the increased safety and efficiency for services more than
outweighed the money we would get from charging – especially when you
consider the additional bureaucracy that would be needed to manage cost
recovery. "

http://www.southcentre.org/info/sout...letin62-11.htm

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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message


and the signal is jammed for say 5 meters over central Europe?

Just admit that you have no clue how the system works and stop putting your
foot in your mouth.

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