Accelerated Instrument Rating

"John T" wrote in message
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"HECTOP" wrote in message


I don't think they name school's or methods of achieving ratings in
NTSB reports, but during one of those local FSDO seminars, there was
an accident investigator type who specifically mentioned a few "IR
jocks in two weeks" accidents. If you'll invest in an evening of
searching through http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp , you'll find
quite a list of accidents that scream of such training.

That's what I thought. So you don't *know* the NTSB database is "full
of such accelerated instrument pilots." Rather, you're making a
generalization based on your impression of the quality of the training.
In
fact, you're only going on the second-hand word of somebody mentioning a
"few" such reports.

....who likely has had quite a bit of experience with the data and the
investigations.

Your impression of the training isn't necessarily invalid. It just
doesn't
necessarily have a correlation in a higher number of crashes.

Which is his point, isn't it? I'd guess that's why he said "you'll find
quite a list of accidents that scream of such training." ?

The method of
training has little to do with the quality of performance as your own
example demonstrates.

Oh, really? I was under the impression that training was mostly _method_.



We all are capable of rather boneheaded actions.

"HECTOP" wrote in message
.. .
The lesson learnt was that such landing was a really bad idea, since
there could've been equipment left on the runway (who knows!) or some wild
animal chase, whatever, and it really could've ruined my night with nobody
to bring help until the break of dawn.




Very true. Some people react by repeating the behavior, because it worked
successfully, and others (like you) actually learn from the experience and
become a safer pilot.

Hi Peter,
I think a lot of it has to do with your own experience...

If you just got your private ticket, I would suspect that you really won't
come away after 10 days being a safe IFR pilot, even if you learn
everything necessary to pass the test. But if you have a couple of hundred
hours cross country, and don't need to spend time learning the basics (like
controlling the plane to within tolerances), you will be able to focus your
training on the real IFR stuff, and will surely be better off.

(Peter Bauer) wrote in
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Hi there,

because of less time i'm interested in doing an Accelerated Instruments
Rating. Some Flight Schools offer such accelerated thing.
Does anybody of you have any experience in it ?
What school has the most experience doing it ?
What do you think about it ?

Is there a real chance to get the rating in about 2 weeks ?

Peter

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message


Which is his point, isn't it? I'd guess that's why he said "you'll
find quite a list of accidents that scream of such training." ?

He originally said:
"NTSB database is full of such accelerated instrument pilots."

It's not. I don't particularly agree with the idea of a two-week IR
program, but to suggest that such pilots are inherently unsafe or should be
in the NTSB database is a fallacy.

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John T
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"John T" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message


Which is his point, isn't it? I'd guess that's why he said "you'll
find quite a list of accidents that scream of such training." ?

He originally said:
"NTSB database is full of such accelerated instrument pilots."

He said that the "reports _scream_ of such pilots"

It's not. I don't particularly agree with the idea of a two-week IR
program, but to suggest that such pilots are inherently unsafe or should
be
in the NTSB database is a fallacy.

Why? Like any other training, cram courses teach you to take the test, not
to be proficient.

Peter,

everything I've read suggests that it is very well possible, if you
dedicate yourself to it. However, the key seems to be to continue
flying IFR at high intensity for a while after getting the rating.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Hectop,

NTSB
database is full of such accelerated instrument pilots...


Show us! I'm serious. Show us the statistics you have derived from the
NTSB database that indicates instrument pilots from accelerated courses
have more accidents.

I doubt you can. So why claim such a thing?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Hectop,

If you'll invest in an evening of searching through
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp , you'll find quite a list of accidents
that scream of such training.


No, you don't. It doesn't say how a pilot was trained in the normal accident
report.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

John,

It's not. I don't particularly agree with the idea of a two-week IR
program, but to suggest that such pilots are inherently unsafe or should be
in the NTSB database is a fallacy.


I couldn't agree more. HECTOP's statements made my BS detector go full scale.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message


He originally said:
"NTSB database is full of such accelerated instrument pilots."

He said that the "reports _scream_ of such pilots"

I quoted his original post. You're quoting his amended post after I raised
the issue.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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