Update on Denver plane crash...

Judah wrote:

But not the mod to change the throw-over yoke to a double-yoke...

They haven't made them with throw-over yokes in years.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Oh... Didn't realize that. I'm not of the financial disposition to have
ever flown in a Bonanza that wasn't made in years...




"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in news:40C9BB44.17667CD3
@verizon.net:



Judah wrote:

But not the mod to change the throw-over yoke to a double-yoke...

They haven't made them with throw-over yokes in years.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"Judah" wrote in message
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But not the mod to change the throw-over yoke to a double-yoke...

The money...or the knowledge/sense?



"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in news:Ql8yc.412$p01.54131
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
.. .
I thought a new pilot had a very very difficult time getting insured in
such a plane.


Not necessarily difficult, but _expensive_. Evidently the father could
afford a brand new A36 AND the insurance to go with it.

In the States - there are not any FAA or other govt rules requiring
insurance for private pilots.

Lienholders will require insurance, but if the aircraft owner 'owns'
the plane outright, it is her/her decision whether or not to insure
(hull and/or liability).

Having said that, if you can afford a new A36, you can probably afford
the premiums (which I am guessing are over 10k/year.)

-Nathan



On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 00:57:20 GMT, "Peter Gottlieb"
wrote:

I thought a new pilot had a very very difficult time getting insured in such
a plane.


"Sam" wrote in message
. com...
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...04/detail.html

1)Looks like somebody either told them of the stall (whether it was my
email or not) and they corrected the article. Sounds like they
misquoted the flight sim tech as I had thought.

2)What an unfortunate and strange crash. The ink must've still been
wet on that guys PPL, and he's flying around in a complex, high power
Bonanza w/ his student pilot daughter at the controls? Why do people
do this?? What a waste of life and airplane.

"Nathan Young" wrote in message
...
In the States - there are not any FAA or other govt rules requiring
insurance for private pilots.


There are airports that "require" $1MM liability insurance, although I have
no idea how they enforce that (except for those based there).

Great point. Midway airport used to be one of these. Forced my
father-in-law from his tie-down because they wanted him to sign a $1M
policy.


On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:04:48 GMT, "Peter Gottlieb"
wrote:


"Nathan Young" wrote in message
.. .
In the States - there are not any FAA or other govt rules requiring
insurance for private pilots.


There are airports that "require" $1MM liability insurance, although I have
no idea how they enforce that (except for those based there).

"Nathan Young" wrote in message
...
Great point. Midway airport used to be one of these. Forced my
father-in-law from his tie-down because they wanted him to sign a $1M
policy.


This guy flew (IIRC) out of Watkins, Colorado...a far cry from Midway.


On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:04:48 GMT, "Peter Gottlieb"
wrote:


"Nathan Young" wrote in message
.. .
In the States - there are not any FAA or other govt rules requiring
insurance for private pilots.


There are airports that "require" $1MM liability insurance, although I
have
no idea how they enforce that (except for those based there).

"Nathan Young" wrote in message
...
In the States - there are not any FAA or other govt rules requiring
insurance for private pilots.

Lienholders will require insurance, but if the aircraft owner 'owns'
the plane outright, it is her/her decision whether or not to insure
(hull and/or liability).

Having said that, if you can afford a new A36, you can probably afford
the premiums (which I am guessing are over 10k/year.)

Exactly...here's a guy 65 years old, right near or already into retirement.
He buys a (virtually) brand new A36 right after getting his PPL.

My guess is he's LOADED. Whether he had bought insurance or not is still to
be answered, but he most like could afford even two or three times that
much. Hell, theA36 probably ran $500-600K or more.

"Nathan Young" wrote in message
...


Having said that, if you can afford a new A36, you can probably afford
the premiums (which I am guessing are over 10k/year.)

If you own a new A36 and don't owe any money on it there's no reason for
hull insurance.

"Sam" wrote in message
om...
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...04/detail.html

1)Looks like somebody either told them of the stall (whether it was my
email or not) and they corrected the article. Sounds like they
misquoted the flight sim tech as I had thought.

2)What an unfortunate and strange crash. The ink must've still been
wet on that guys PPL, and he's flying around in a complex, high power
Bonanza w/ his student pilot daughter at the controls? Why do people
do this?? What a waste of life and airplane.

The article says he owned it for 6 months - It is not unreasonable to assume
he had been trained in it and was fairly competent in it. The speculation
about the ink being wet and such is silly. Perhaps you could not handle the
plane, or other fresh pilots when they just come out of a 152 or 172, but it
is not impossible to have a fairly low time pilot be able to fly that plane.
(They handle quite nicely - things just happen quicker...)

If I had the money I would have bought a plane like that instead of a
grumman cheetah for my training. Why not?