Yet another reason to Hate AOL

set up a REAL mailinglist.
-- http://www.freelists.org/

Thanks for the tip.

I just checked it out, and I fail to see how this service provides any
advantage over just creating a mailing list using any common email software.

What am I missing?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

That's the only one. And I checked my spam filter and there's nothing in
there
from you.

Lee, that's the SECOND one I sent.

The first one I've tried sending you three times.

Because it has been ONLY AOL users that have bounced back, I can only assume
it's an AOL thing?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Edward Todd" wrote in message
...
[...] Always use BCC. Spammers use
siffer software that can pull these addresses and hey pas through a
server. BCC really helps this.

Putting email addresses in the bcc field does nothing to hide the email
addresses, except to the final recipient. All of the email addresses are
easily visible to any of the servers between the sender and the final
recipient, including the final recipient's email server.

To make matters worse, as your advice pertains to this thread, putting email
addresses in the bcc field often sets off spam detection rules.

I do use bcc for large mailings, because it prevents obnoxious reply-alls
when you know a reply-all would never be appropriate. But no one should
believe that using bcc in any way serves to hide the email addresses from
spammers.

Pete

Peter Gottlieb wrote:
I am president of a local Realtor's group and we had the same problems.

First we got blocked as spam because we sent "bulk mail" to 23 addresses.
Then we tried individually but found out we are now "blacklisted as a known
sender of spam."


When I worked as a web developer for a local news paper, we had a
mailing list that would send out the results of classified ad searches
to those who subscribed to a search. Well several morons on hotmail
were too stupid to unsubscribe them self so they reported us as spamers
and then all the hotmail address in the DB bounced every day. I told my
boss and he didn't seem to care, so I didn't bother trying to do
anything about it. I really don't know who the bigger idiots were, the
people who couldn't unsubscribe them self or the morons on hotmail that
didn't even take the time to read the supposed spam messages to see the
clearly spelled out and valid method for unsubscribing.


--
Chris W

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http://hp15c.org

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Peter Duniho wrote:


Putting email addresses in the bcc field does nothing to hide the email
addresses, except to the final recipient. All of the email addresses are
easily visible to any of the servers between the sender and the final
recipient, including the final recipient's email server.

The final recipient is the person *I think* you need to hide the
addresses from. Because if that recipient is using Outlook and they
don't keep their machine secure, a worm can get those addresses and use
it to send a virus and or spam.


--
Chris W

Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org

Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
http://thewishzone.com

Jay Honeck wrote:
Thanks for the tip.

I just checked it out, and I fail to see how this service provides any
advantage over just creating a mailing list using any common email software.

What am I missing?

For one thing you don't have to maintain the list of email addresses
anymore. If someone wants to get your news letter they go to a website
or send an email to subscribe and it happens automatically. Then if
they decide they don't want the messages anymore they can either go to
the website or send an message with a command to unsubscribe. Many
people like this more than news groups. The other advantage is it sends
out a separate email to everyone on the list instead of one message with
everyones name in the To: header.


--
Chris W

Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org

Not getting the gifts you want? The Wish Zone can help.
http://thewishzone.com

"Chris W" wrote in message
news:32jFc.26417$WI2.9605@lakeread05...
The final recipient is the person *I think* you need to hide the
addresses from.

That is certainly *a* person you need to hide the addresses from, but that
isn't who Edward is talking about. When he writes "siffer [sic] software
that can pull these addresses and [sic] hey [sic] pas [sic] through a
server", he's talking about spammers who set up shop routing email and
watching the email as it goes by. I assume that "and hey pas through"
actually means "as they pass through".

Pete

Because it has been ONLY AOL users that have bounced back, I can only assume
it's an AOL thing?


Certainly seems like a valid conclusion.



www.Rosspilot.com

To make matters worse, as your advice pertains to this thread, putting
email
addresses in the bcc field often sets off spam detection rules.

Precisely.

That's what I was assuming was triggering the bounce-back, until they
bounced back AGAIN when I sent the messages individually.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

When I worked as a web developer for a local news paper, we had a
mailing list that would send out the results of classified ad searches
to those who subscribed to a search. Well several morons on hotmail
were too stupid to unsubscribe them self so they reported us as spamers
and then all the hotmail address in the DB bounced every day. I told my
boss and he didn't seem to care, so I didn't bother trying to do
anything about it. I really don't know who the bigger idiots were, the
people who couldn't unsubscribe them self or the morons on hotmail that
didn't even take the time to read the supposed spam messages to see the
clearly spelled out and valid method for unsubscribing.

Well, I hear you, but....

In my experience, the "unsubscribe" button in many emails only validates
your email address -- and triggers even MORE email!

I think that's why people are so hesitant to use it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"