Flying Friday through the TFRs

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:31:34 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

Towne
Center (a large, upscale shopping mall) was closed because it is too close
to where Bush was staying, no doubt costing the merchants there a large
fortune.

But now you're kidding, right? You mean: you are shutting down a whole
shopping mall only because of your *OWN* *elected* president (no matter who
it is) is in the vicinity? And you all let him/them go away with this?
cool.

#m

--
The more one is absorbed in fighting Evil,
the less one is tempted to place the Good
in question. (J.P. Sartre)

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:31:34 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

Towne
Center (a large, upscale shopping mall) was closed because it is too
close
to where Bush was staying, no doubt costing the merchants there a large
fortune.

But now you're kidding, right?

Nope.

You mean: you are shutting down a whole
shopping mall only because of your *OWN* *elected* president (no matter
who
it is) is in the vicinity? And you all let him/them go away with this?
cool.

Yep, and yep. Next, he says he is going to send us all to the vet to be
tutored. (or something like that)

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:02:02 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:31:34 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:

Towne
Center (a large, upscale shopping mall) was closed because it is too close
to where Bush was staying, no doubt costing the merchants there a large
fortune.

But now you're kidding, right? You mean: you are shutting down a whole
shopping mall only because of your *OWN* *elected* president (no matter who
it is) is in the vicinity? And you all let him/them go away with this?

The Democrats shut down a good protion of Boston, the Republicans will
do so where ever they are holding theirs. (I forgot where, but I'm not
going)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
cool.

#m

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C J Campbell wrote:

I am not so sure Kerry deserves credit for not having TFRs around him. He
seems to stay pretty tight within the Presidential TFRs, content with
letting Bush take the heat for his own security.

After Bush brought his TFRs to you, Kerry was riding his bike around
Waterfront Park in downtown Portland. Today I think he's suppoesd to
be windsurfing on the Columbia.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

C J Campbell wrote:

King 5 (the local NBC affiliate) ran a news story about how the TFR
was costing Kenmore $75,000 in revenue. So I guess when NBC isn't trashing
GA for lax security, they sometimes can be persuaded to actually show some
of the effects of too much security. It isn't just aviation, either. Towne
Center (a large, upscale shopping mall) was closed because it is too close
to where Bush was staying, no doubt costing the merchants there a large
fortune.

Not just NBC, either. Yahoo news (usuallyn the AP feed) carried a story that the D.C.
mayor and council are increasingly upset at the damage the Federal security is doing
to the local business. They didn't mention the aviation situation, of course.

Maybe this is the next big media craze? Beats picking on GA, that's for sure.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

In article ,
King 5 (the local NBC affiliate) ran a news story about how the TFR
was costing Kenmore $75,000 in revenue. So I guess when NBC isn't trashing
GA for lax security, they sometimes can be persuaded to actually show some
of the effects of too much security. It isn't just aviation, either. Towne
Center (a large, upscale shopping mall) was closed because it is too close
to where Bush was staying, no doubt costing the merchants there a large
fortune.

Not just NBC, either. Yahoo news (usuallyn the AP feed) carried a story
that the D.C.
mayor and council are increasingly upset at the damage the Federal
security is doing
to the local business. They didn't mention the aviation situation, of course.

DC is getting it really bad. I live in Seattle but am from Columbia,
MD. DC is not a state so they have no representation in congress (they do
have a shadow senator which can not vote). The DC streets are partrolled
the district police (mayors office) and the congressional police
(congress). There's long been disputes between teh two groups.
It was recently made clear thou that the mayors office and the citizens
of DC have ZERO control over the streets. The congressional police and
congress those. So they have closed (and plan to close) several more DC
streets for 'security.' Congress does not have to (and in some cases did
not) inform the disctrict police or the mayors office prior to these
closes.
And things are set to get worst before they get better. Yet another
reason why most people that work in DC live in MD or VA

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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[...] Towne
Center (a large, upscale shopping mall) was closed because it is too close
to where Bush was staying, no doubt costing the merchants there a large
fortune.

During what hours? We ate lunch there (Redmond Town Center, the correct
name and spelling) yesterday, and while there was security everywhere, and
several of the streets were closed to motor vehicles, the shopping center
was definitely open.

People who drove anywhere near the great man were closely tailed by
the cops.

Now *that's* the truth. On my way into lunch, two of Redmond's finest on
motorcycles were less than a wheel width behind my car for most of the time
I was on Redmond Town Center grounds.

At the time, I didn't know what the huge concentration of police was for. I
was sorely tempted to "see" a squirrel and slam on the brakes. It's bad
enough when the average Joe Idiot is riding my butt; somehow it all makes
sense when the police are being just as stupid as everyone else.

I am not so sure Kerry deserves credit for not having TFRs around him.

I'm not so sure he does either. But what makes you think he's taking the
credit? I've never seen any quotes from him doing so.

Pete