Possibly the stupidest idea ever...

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message
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Check with your insurance company. They almost certainly won't cover
anything even remotely close to formation flight. Then just tell this guy
that the insurance company said "no". That should solve your problem,
without any need to pass a by-law.

Mine says no such thing and I would dump them in a second if they did. I
doubt your suggestion holds water. Correctly flown formation flight is no
more dangerous than any other flight.


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Mine says no such thing and I would dump them in a second if they did. I
doubt your suggestion holds water. Correctly flown formation flight is
no
more dangerous than any other flight.

Is this the policy for your personal aircraft or the policy for a flying
club? A policy for a personal plane is likely to be vastly different from a
flying club's policy. I couldn't believe the hoops we have to go through at
our club to deal with the insurance company, but when we went out looking
for other options, there simply wasn't anyone else writing policies for
clubs. To fly our 182, the insurance practically requires you to be the
seventh child of a seventh child and receive an in-person blessing from the
Pope (even if you aren't Catholic).


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You have been reading Usenet for how long, now? And you say THIS is the
stupidest idea, ever?

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
You have been reading Usenet for how long, now? And you say THIS is the
stupidest idea, ever?

Since 1986. And you're right, it's merely the stupidest idea I've heard
proposed for our club. I've heard plenty stupider here.


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How about this...
Have the aircraft depart and orbit an easily recognizable ground
reference about a mile or two from the gravesite. Use altitude
separation to deconflict aircraft according to speed (fastest higher to
slowest low). Brief for the overflight altitude to fly when inbound to
the gravesite.
Someone on the ground with a handheld can call them in at the
appropriate time.
Number the aircraft 1 through n. After they have been told to come in,
as 1 passes over the ground reference, he/she reports "One's inbound."
Two goes next and repeats the procedure, etc., etc.
Have all the aircraft fly in trail, fastest to slowest.
As they pass over the gravesite, they dip a wing in salute, and continue
straight on out for five miles.

Paul Tomblin wrote:

I wonder if we've got time to pass a bylaw expelling anybody who tries
close formation work in club planes?

Take a page from the NY/NJ politicos. At the last minute, claim there *is* such a
bylaw. By the time they can prove there isn't, it'll be too late to do it for the
ceremony! :-)

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

On 2004-08-23 19:16, Paul Tomblin wrote:
One of the guys who founded our flying club 40+ years ago is still a
member. He's got a lot of experience, but quite frankly some things I've
heard about him scare the hell out of me. But nothing quite as bad as
this: He's proposing that the club does a "Missing Man Formation" over
Bill Law's memorial service next weekend.

Let me get this straight, you're going to get four guys who've never flown
formation with each other before, put them in four dissimilar aircraft
(try and find a speed where both the Lance and the Warrior are happy), and
fly a maneuver in close formation with only a week to practice?

What a great way to remember Bill Law - by having a fatal 4 plane mid-air
collision over his memorial service! Oh well, at least the club would get
some new planes out of it. Too bad we'd never get insurance again, and the
club officers would be put in jail for not stopping this lunatic. Oh wait,
I'm a club officer!

I wonder if we've got time to pass a bylaw expelling anybody who tries
close formation work in club planes?


I'd say it's a bit too optimistic.

Of course, it's not impossible, but you need some training flying
formation in dissimilar planes, in order for the display to look good.

My club has an airshow team (Skybirds, all ladies) flying 4-6 PA-28:s
(the same ones used for normal schooling) in formation, but they have
been at it since -91, and they began with good help from an ex AF
instructor.

ESCN/Rolf

If you or your club members do not have the proficiency and skill that is
necessary for formation flight, then "yes" it is dumb. Training and practice
will help. Formation flying is about control and learning this skill will
help in all aspects of flying.

A couple of years ago, nine airplanes on our field flew the missing man for
Gordon Brock, a WWII veteran, a Korean War veteran and a Vietnam veteran.
When he retired, he used his IA to help a lot of folks keep flying
affordable and safe and was rewarded with the Charles Taylor Award.

The airplanes involved ranged from 65 hp taildraggers to three Cessna 414s.
Mr. Brock had personally laid hands on each of these aircraft.

It was my finest flying hour and one of the most spiritual experiences of my
life. It was the least we could do for an old soldier.

Deb

BTW, other than a terrorist hijacking the airplane, damage caused by war and
flying to Alaska or Mexico (must be purchased separately) there are no
exclusions in our full coverage policies.
--
1946 Luscombe 8A (His)
1948 Luscombe 8E (Hers)
1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (Ours)
Jasper, Ga. (JZP)

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
One of the guys who founded our flying club 40+ years ago is still a
member. He's got a lot of experience, but quite frankly some things I've
heard about him scare the hell out of me. But nothing quite as bad as
this: He's proposing that the club does a "Missing Man Formation" over
Bill Law's memorial service next weekend.

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in
:

One of the guys who founded our flying club 40+ years ago is still a
member. He's got a lot of experience, but quite frankly some things
I've heard about him scare the hell out of me. But nothing quite as
bad as this: He's proposing that the club does a "Missing Man
Formation" over Bill Law's memorial service next weekend.

Let me get this straight, you're going to get four guys who've never
flown formation with each other before, put them in four dissimilar
aircraft (try and find a speed where both the Lance and the Warrior
are happy), and fly a maneuver in close formation with only a week to
practice?

What a great way to remember Bill Law - by having a fatal 4 plane
mid-air collision over his memorial service! Oh well, at least the
club would get some new planes out of it. Too bad we'd never get
insurance again, and the club officers would be put in jail for not
stopping this lunatic. Oh wait, I'm a club officer!

I wonder if we've got time to pass a bylaw expelling anybody who tries
close formation work in club planes?


Paul, I beleave you will find that the QB are going to do the missing
man flight. So don't worry, they have had a little to much practis at
this over the last few years........

In a previous article, you k who said:
Paul, I beleave you will find that the QB are going to do the missing
man flight. So don't worry, they have had a little to much practis at
this over the last few years........

QB? Who dat?

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