Private Pilot without Medical -- Sport Pilot operation?

Bob Moore wrote in
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ET wrote

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

What's a "bi-annual"? :-) Oh! You meant to say biennial flight
review. But even that term is no longer used either, it's just
a "flight review" now.

BTW, biannual means twice-a-year, we sure don't need that!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI


SEMI annual means twice a year.... But yes I ment to say beinnial.

(after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means twice a
year...)

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:33:50 -0700, "Darrell" wrote:

I'm now 71 and would be very interested in Sport
Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my driver's license.

I hope you can. It's not clear whether your medical was in fact turned
down.

The big problem of course is insurance. One can always buy a plane and
fly it uninsured, but renting is probably out of the question (it is
for me, anyhow) unless somebody is willing to write an insurance
policy for a sport pilot.

That's still to be determined. I notice that the AOPA insurer doesn't
(or didn't when I looked at the form) cover recreational pilot
certificates.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Casey Wilson" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?



I posted this in a different place. I'm not on this forum to discuss the
moral implication of flying based on my drivers license, I am here to
discuss what the regs say.

I have a condition that would require a waiver, I would certainly get the
waiver, but based on how much I fly it isn't worth the hassle to get the
waiver.

I will give you a hypothetical. A guy realizes he is dependant on alcohol
and own his own (may a few AA meetings) stops drinking. He chooses to not
renew his medical because of the alcohol dependant question. Let's say he
hasn't touched a drop in 10 years and even when drinking never drove drunk.
Why not fly on a drivers license.

Danny Deger

Danny Deger wrote:

Why not fly on a drivers license.

No reason that I can see.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Danny Deger wrote:

I have a condition that would require a waiver, I would certainly get the
waiver, but based on how much I fly it isn't worth the hassle to get the
waiver.

This just up on the EAA web site. The guy had a bypass several years ago. Never went
for another medical. Could get a waiver, but doesn't want the hassle of doing that.

He's now flying a J-3 out of his back yard on a Sport Pilot certificate.

http://www.sportpilot.org/news/040902_new_pilot.html

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

(Danny Deger) wrote in
m:

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

As of Sept 1, you ARE a Sport Pilot...... and subject to the medical rules
therein.

and I think since you dropped in the bit about never being denied a
medical, .... you knew that......

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"ET" wrote in message
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(Danny Deger) wrote in
m:

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

As of Sept 1, you ARE a Sport Pilot...... and subject to the medical rules
therein.

and I think since you dropped in the bit about never being denied a
medical, .... you knew that......

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I was pretty sure I was OK medical wise, but didn't know if I needed the FAA
to issue me a separate sport pilot certificate.

Danny Deger opined

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

That is a good question.

Did you let your medical lapse, or was yoour last application rejected?


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

I let it lapse. 5 years ago I took a medication that resulted in a
significant side effect. I looked into it and due to this side effect, I
would need to go through the waiver process. I don't fly that much, and it
wasn't worth the effort, so I just stopped flying.

Danny Deger




"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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Danny Deger opined

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

That is a good question.

Did you let your medical lapse, or was yoour last application rejected?


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

On 30 Aug 2004 12:59:15 -0700, (Danny Deger)
wrote:

I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

You might want to find an instructor who has read up on this subject
(not many, probably!). You aren't current, so you need a biennial
flight check anyhow.

My understanding is that you don't need the sport-pilot certificate in
order to fly under sport pilot rules. However, my situation is a bit
different from yours: I am going to use the sport-pilot rules in order
to fly into towered airports on a recreational certificate--in other
words, I'm going to continue to fly on my current certificate and
medical.

In 18 months, when I am due for my next physical, I will be looking at
the same situation as you are. Unfortunately, the rules are such that
if you worry about your chances of passing a physical, you're better
off not taking it. (And I always worry. I'm that sort.)


all the best -- Dan Ford
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