All Permanent Residents Pilots ... stand up and say hello!

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
Or our own association.

GCOPA ... Green Card Owners And Pilots Association.

the way AOPA seems to be forgetting us altogether, we may very
well have to... by the way, guys, don't forget to write to
AOPA and remind them that we do exist, and may be ask whether
AOPA can actually afford to antagonize and possibly loose a
fair chunk of its membership (the often quoted remark by
Phil Boyer, see www.aopa.org, who seems so upset that the new
rules from our Truly Silly Administration might possibly affect
US citizen, without giving a thought about those among us who
have already been veted, and background checked and fingerprinted
and whatsnot, really ****ed me off);

Only flaw is that sooner or later every one of us will probably become a
citizen ...

if we ever get a chance to apply; the way things are going, just
reading the news, the only foreigners given any slack these days
are Saudi terrorists caught in the act... but I digress.

--Sylvain

"Sylvain" wrote in message
m...
"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
Or our own association.

GCOPA ... Green Card Owners And Pilots Association.

the way AOPA seems to be forgetting us altogether, we may very
well have to... by the way, guys, don't forget to write to
AOPA and remind them that we do exist, and may be ask whether
AOPA can actually afford to antagonize and possibly loose a
fair chunk of its membership (the often quoted remark by
Phil Boyer, see www.aopa.org, who seems so upset that the new
rules from our Truly Silly Administration might possibly affect
US citizen, without giving a thought about those among us who
have already been veted, and background checked and fingerprinted
and whatsnot, really ****ed me off);

I did get an answer back and I didn't like it one bit.

Sounded like a pacifier:

"we didn't forget about you, we are working on it, we'll give it our best
try."

Canned response. The food for my cat smells fresher.

That's the answer I got from AOPA. My AOPA regional representative instead
said that he has a few things he can try and he'll get back to me in a few
days ... but things are tough because we are not US Citizens and that's all
there is to it.

More honest ... I have a couple of things I am going to talk to him about
when he gets back to me ... but I have to dust off my green card and my
passport and get ready to dish out those 200 bux ... cause I don't think
this is going anywhere.


Only flaw is that sooner or later every one of us will probably become a
citizen ...

if we ever get a chance to apply; the way things are going, just
reading the news, the only foreigners given any slack these days
are Saudi terrorists caught in the act... but I digress.

--Sylvain

LOL!!!


--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Thomas Borchert" wrote)


Quiet, and stand in line over there - we're not done frisking this 80 year
old Iowa farmer with Parkinson's disease.


You never know!! Them 80 year old farmers are a real danger to national
security. Who knows what they are hiding in them purses? You can't imagine
how much damage a knitting tool can do.

Yep. Makes sense.

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

"Sylvain" wrote in message
m...
"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
Or our own association.

GCOPA ... Green Card Owners And Pilots Association.

the way AOPA seems to be forgetting us altogether, we may very
well have to... by the way, guys, don't forget to write to
AOPA and remind them that we do exist, and may be ask whether
AOPA can actually afford to antagonize and possibly loose a
fair chunk of its membership (the often quoted remark by
Phil Boyer, see www.aopa.org, who seems so upset that the new
rules from our Truly Silly Administration might possibly affect
US citizen, without giving a thought about those among us who
have already been veted, and background checked and fingerprinted
and whatsnot, really ****ed me off);

Only flaw is that sooner or later every one of us will probably become a
citizen ...

if we ever get a chance to apply; the way things are going, just
reading the news, the only foreigners given any slack these days
are Saudi terrorists caught in the act... but I digress.

--Sylvain

Just go to Mexico and illegally walk across the border into California. You
will be given anything you could ever want or need for free.

Marco,

Them 80 year old farmers are a real danger to national
security.


Well, at least they'd have access to large quantities of fertilizer.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Marco,

here's the full Boyer response as sent out today:

New TSA Interim Rule

I apologize in advance for the “group” reply to your personal email,
but the number I have received on this issue from non-US citizens is
best served by an overall answer. Rest assured that I have personally
(mostly over the weekend) read every one of your emails, and also
forwarded some of them to staff in our Government and Technical Affairs
department who are actively working this issue.

Needless to state, this rule hit AOPA and the rest of the industry
off-guard. No one expected the surprise rulemaking, even though we
were aware that in last year’s VISION 100 Bill, Congress ordered a
change in how the agencies were treating flight instruction; with
emphasis on over 12,500 pound aircraft, but not limited to such. The
intent of Congress is to "screen" non-US citizens receiving training in
the US. As your emails pointed out, the implementation of such a
requirement has implications not understood by TSA. I appreciate you
bringing this to our attention and your concerns about how this affects
you.

First, I apologize if our web story or e-Pilot gave the impression that
as a non-US citizen your AOPA membership means nothing to our advocacy
issues. Frankly, I can see how you might have interpreted it that way,
and while no excuse, I was in Washington, DC Wednesday through Friday
of last week, with an evening speech in Buffalo, NY on Thursday, when
e-Pilot is constructed. In the lobby of the building of my speech, I
was on the cell phone with my right hand person in G&TA for almost 30
minutes getting a better understanding of this ridiculous interim rule,
and in a verbal conversation it was difficult for me to catch the
various interpretations our “rush to deadline” story might get from our
various constituencies.

With that stated, let me clearly state that AOPA is diligently working
on all aspects of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) rule.

AOPA has been in contact with Transportation Security Administration
(TSA) numerous times last week to register our opposition to
unilaterally creating a huge burden for U.S. citizen and non-citizen
pilots and flight instructors; criticizing their lack of industry
input.

We immediately placed the interim rule in the hands of AOPA General
Counsel John Yodice, for a full interpretation. AOPA staff has already
communicated with him on numerous occasions on various aspects of the
rule, and I met with John on Wednesday afternoon for an in-person
briefing. We expect his completed report sometime today (Mon-Sept 27).
This report will form the basis for several actions:

1) Petition the Docket for a delay of the rule, citing it is so ill
conceived that the implementation schedule could cause huge chaos.
2) Send a letter to the Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security,
Admiral David Stone (head of the TSA) an outline of our initial
concerns, and ask for a delay in implementation, plus heavy industry
consultation.
3) Have AOPA Legislative Affairs in Washington, DC inform members of
Congress that the instructions to TSA in their VISION 100 Bill, the
genesis of this TSA rulemaking, has been grossly mis-interpreted.
4) I intend to verbally convey this to Admiral David Stone as soon as
I can reach him.
5) Our staff meets with the TSA and members of the industry this
coming Thursday, in the first in-person discussion and adverse reaction
to this rule.

Your emails have contained many good comments, and I have assembled
them into a booklet for possible use with the TSA on the non-citizen
portion of this issue.

e-Pilot and our website will contain updates on our actions, and will
link to copies of correspondence AOPA has with the TSA, Federal
Aviation Administration, and Congress. Rest assured, we (I) will not
leave any stone unturned. As mentioned earlier, the United States
Congress has directed this agency to formulate a way to provide more
security to the flight training environment, with particular regard to
non-U.S. citizens. Remember, the tragedy of 9-11-01 did involve such
training. But, in all the discussions leading up to this, never did we
feel they intended to go this far in this bizarre a manner.

Thanks for allowing me to better explain our actions.

--Phil
--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Marco,

here's the full Boyer response as sent out today:


Yep. Got the same. Canned response. I should have expected it.

I am talking to my regional AOPA representative (by email) and we'll se
where that leads.

I didn't have a lot of faith in a reply from Phil Boyer. I am sure he was
probably bombarded ...

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
. ..
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Marco,

here's the full Boyer response as sent out today:


Yep. Got the same. Canned response. I should have expected it.

I am talking to my regional AOPA representative (by email) and we'll se
where that leads.

I didn't have a lot of faith in a reply from Phil Boyer. I am sure he was
probably bombarded ...

AOPA's response has hit the docket on dms.dot.gov. It's just 2 pages,
primarily a call for delay. Among other numbers they highlight that there
are 85,000 certificated resident alien pilots - that's 13% of all. I don't
know where they pulled the number from.

I think AOPA got the message. Let's get off their case now.

-- David Brooks

Thanks for posting this. I was pretty ****ed off by AOPA's original
negligence of permanent residents but it looks like they're actually
listening to their members.

Anyway, another non-citizen here (nor I intend to be one).

-Toly.

Toly,

negligence of permanent residents


AND VISITORS! Jeeze!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)