What can I log as XC time?

What newps said. The FAA doesn't care about your "hangar" airport, just the
airport you depart from, wherever it is. Read the Part 61 FAQs for more
details on what constitutes a departure airport.

Bob Gardner

"Bob" wrote in message
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1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

"Bob" wrote in message
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1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

I don't think the FARs give unambiguous answers to those questions. I think
we just have to use common sense to discern the intent of the regs. I 'd say
that flying locally in sight-seeing circles doesn't count, even if it occurs
in the middle of an XC flight, unless the sightseeing time can't readily be
separated out (that is, I'd probably count an hour of sight-seeing circling
that occurred, without landing, in the middle of a 100nm leg). But if you're
making steady progress from one point to another that's more than 50nm away,
then I'd count every leg, even on a day when you advance less than 50nm.

--Gary

"Bob" wrote in message
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1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?


You can log whatever you think of as a flight.

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

None of it. If you don't land at another airport, it is not a cross country.
If the other airport is not a straight line distance of 50 nm from the
airport of departure, it doesn't count for most ratings. Theoretically, it
is possible to fly the 150 nm cross country with landings at three airports
for private pilot without ever getting more than 50 nm from the original
airport of departure, but that is a little ridiculous.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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airport of departure, it doesn't count for most ratings. Theoretically, it
is possible to fly the 150 nm cross country with landings at three
airports
for private pilot without ever getting more than 50 nm from the original
airport of departure, but that is a little ridiculous.


I did my long private solo XC flying from BED-SFM-EEN-BED, basically a big
triangle. EEN is 50nm on the dot from BED, and SFM is 65ish, so I was never
more than 65nm away.

-cwk.

If, somewhere in your flight you take off from A and land at B it's cross
country. If somewhere in your flight you take off from A and somewhere in that
same flight you land at B where B is more than 50 nm away from A, then the
flight is cross country which can be counted towards most ratings that require
it. (the 50nm thing).

The flight can occur over several days. A and B do not have to be the
beginning and end of your flight. Stuff can happen before, between, and after
A and B. The whole flight is still cross country.

The thing hinges on what you call a "flight", and it's your call. There is
room for reasonable differences in what you might want to call a flight, and
what I might want to call a flight, but the regs accomodate both.

In fact (as far as I can tell) you can log an entire ordinary month's worth of
air time as a single flight, and if ever you landed more than 50nm from any
place you took off from, you can log the entire thing as cross country. Now
this much of a stretch might raise the eyebrows of the FAA (and eventually
prompt more rulemaking), but nothing in the regs that I'm aware of would
prevent the flight from being used as XC for ratings. It might even be quite
reasonable (say, you took a month to travel from Bangor Maine to San Diego
California, and did it in short hops, including some barnstorming, over the
course of a month).

You don't even have to log consistently. For example, some out and back
flights I log as one flight, some I log as two. (logging them as two, if one
leg is all night, makes it easier to infer a night takeoff - aside - the FAA
requires night takeoffs for currency, but most logbooks don't provide a column
for takeoffs, though they provide one for landings, though they don't provide
one for night landings...)

Jose

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Bob wrote in
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1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?



Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Therefore, your local flights away from your home airport will not count as
xc time because it did not land at an airport other then the point of
departure.


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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?

Newps wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?


(3) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of
this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of
departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to
the landing point.

ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements
(except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot
certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a
commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the
purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a
rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line
distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of
departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to
the landing point.


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Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Newps wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?



(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?

"Newps" wrote in message
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(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?

-cwk.