Got my BFR ahead of the TSA rule

"OtisWinslow" wrote in news:Ywedd.3577977
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Not everyone has a passport if they don't travel out of the country.


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
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I hope you're right about this, but I've seen some flight schools
saying that you need to present a US passport as proof of
citizenship.







Actually, there are many foreign citizens living in the US and don't have a
passport. Canadians don't need a passport to enter the US. Same holds true
for US citizens living in Canada.


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Gee, sounds like Nazi Germany. Traveling across the US of A? Papers
please, mein herr. Vat, you haf no papers? Shoot zis man!

Peter MacPherson wrote:
I think they'll tell you you'll need to get one.


"OtisWinslow" wrote in message
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Not everyone has a passport if they don't travel out of the country.


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
news:yFcdd.421008$Fg5.52134@attbi_s53...

I hope you're right about this, but I've seen some flight schools
saying that you need to present a US passport as proof of
citizenship.

It does seem we're heading that way, doesn't it......very depressing.
; (



"Rip" wrote in message
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Gee, sounds like Nazi Germany. Traveling across the US of A? Papers
please, mein herr. Vat, you haf no papers? Shoot zis man!

Peter MacPherson wrote:
I think they'll tell you you'll need to get one.


"OtisWinslow" wrote in message
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Not everyone has a passport if they don't travel out of the country.


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
news:yFcdd.421008$Fg5.52134@attbi_s53...

I hope you're right about this, but I've seen some flight schools
saying that you need to present a US passport as proof of
citizenship.

Don't try to apply logic....you'll end up being committed... ; - )



"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
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I think they'll tell you you'll need to get one.

What about the people that cannot obtain a passport due to legal reasons?
We
are not talking bad criminals maybe they are on probation for a traffic
offence witch prevents them from leaving the country, state you live or
possessing a passport during the probation period. Each states laws/rules
will vary. Some states may not prevent you from possessing a passport
while
on probation but some do.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:42:47 -0700, "kage"
wrote:

You certainly do at Flight Safety.

Karl
In the Falcon 50EX sim at 1700 today!


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
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I hope you're right about this, but I've seen some flight schools
saying that you need to present a US passport as proof of
citizenship.


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I'm thankful that I got in before all of this crap. I've been a US
citizen all my life and I am a PP-ASEL but I have never had a
passport. Can't they come up with something that a larger percentage
of the population would actually have?
Rich Russell

"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message news:yFcdd.421008$Fg5.52134@attbi_s53...
I hope you're right about this, but I've seen some flight schools
saying that you need to present a US passport as proof of
citizenship.


It's really pretty silly that the TSA put this rule out there and then
said they'd tell us what it means in 10 days. I know that some places
like ATP have said they will only accept passports (if you don't have
one, you'd better get one). They claim that most birth certificates do
not meet the requirement (not sure what they are refering to there). I
work with a guy who is on an H-1 Visa from France. He's having to
discountinue his flight training until this is worked out. I spoke
with one FBO that said they would just check driver's licenses. They
did not realize that any legal resident can get a driver's license (if
not for Arnold illegals would have had them too).

-Robert (in CA)

Andrew Sarangan wrote in message .4...
"OtisWinslow" wrote in news:Ywedd.3577977
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Actually, there are many foreign citizens living in the US and don't have a
passport. Canadians don't need a passport to enter the US. Same holds true
for US citizens living in Canada.

From my reading of the rule, giving flight training to Canadian's is
current prohibited until the TSA comes out with a way for foriegn
students to register. So, at this point, it doesn't matter what
country you are from. If you are not a U.S. citizen you cannot get
flight instruction. That includes legal residence (green card holds,
H-1, H-2, J-1, L-1, L-3 etc).

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in message
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"OtisWinslow" wrote in news:Ywedd.3577977
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Actually, there are many foreign citizens living in the US and don't
have a
passport. Canadians don't need a passport to enter the US. Same holds
true
for US citizens living in Canada.

From my reading of the rule, giving flight training to Canadian's is
current prohibited until the TSA comes out with a way for foriegn
students to register. So, at this point, it doesn't matter what
country you are from. If you are not a U.S. citizen you cannot get
flight instruction. That includes legal residence (green card holds,
H-1, H-2, J-1, L-1, L-3 etc).

If you already have a US or Canadian pilot certificate of any kind
(including student [my interpretation]) you are now exempted until Dec 19.
This hastily drawn up letter seems to leave us in a state that aliens only
have to show a pilot certificate, but US citizens (even if they have a
certificate) still have to show a passport or birth certificate.

--
David Brooks

"David Brooks" wrote in message
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This hastily drawn up letter seems to leave us in a state that aliens only
have to show a pilot certificate, but US citizens (even if they have a
certificate) still have to show a passport or birth certificate.

Nah...all a US citizen needs to do is to claim they are a foreign citizen,
show their pilot certificate, wait for the government to prosecute them for
the false claim of foreign citizenship, and use the evidence used in that
claim as their proof of US citizenship.

No passport or birth certificate required.

Pete

Richard Russell wrote
I'm thankful that I got in before all of this crap. I've been a US
citizen all my life and I am a PP-ASEL but I have never had a
passport. Can't they come up with something that a larger percentage
of the population would actually have?

They did.

Your birth certificate, plus any government photo ID (like your
driver's license) is fine.

The list of acceptable papers is found on p.37-38 of the docket,
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf90/296897_web.pdf

Michael