Rating to Transport People Voluntarily

I just joined Angel Flight Central. Never was told of or have seen a
bill/fee. Better not.


"Blanche" wrote in message
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NW_PILOT wrote:
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I can understand the Flight time requirements and the insurance
requirements
but to pay a mandatory annual fee I do not understand?

As stated on the Angel Flight web site "The cost to join is only $50, and
the annual dues are $35" I can understand charging non pilots a
membership
fee but pilots that provide a volunteer service should not be charged. I
bet
if they did not charge pilots these fees they would get a lot more pilots
volunteering.

Betcha it wouldn't.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
C Kingsbury wrote:


This also provides for so-called "charitable airlift" where people make
a
donation to, say, go for a ride in a plane, assuming a bunch of
conditions
are met. Also allows reimbursement of full (as opposed to proportional)
expenses if involved in SAR activites, which I assume is there to allow
CAP
to operate as it does.

Actually, it has nothing to do with either one.

The Charitable Airlift reg is an exemption to allow someone to pay to be
flown
(just doesn't flown to the pilot).

Read subsection (e).

-cwk.

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message ...
The way I see angel flight is like having to pay a member ship fee to
volunteer in a soup kitchen when your providing the soup. A company with
good intentions.

Very few of the pilot members ever fly missions. There are a huge
number of pilots that just want to be members. Also, they really do
need some way to pay for the office. It comes down to the fact that
they ask for it and the existing pilots don't complain. From their
point of view there is no reason to change. I get mine waved because
I'm a checkout CFI (or whatever they call it now). However, I still
send them $40 or so every year because they are a good org.

-Robert

James can you give me a gmail invite please?

Jason Spalding




"NW_PILOT" wrote in message ...
"James M. Knox" wrote in message
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"NW_PILOT" wrote in
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Yes. It's what allows organizations such as AngelFlight to exist.

Be sure if you want to do that you look at the requirements it can be
real prohibitive. Angel Flight requires 300 hours Total time and 75
hours cross country 25 in make and model or something like that and
they charge you an annual fee to do it. Not sure of other
organizations i have only herd of angel flight. If I was to volunteer
my time and aircraft and the expenses that go along with it no way
would I want to pay an annual fee.

That answer is not entirely correct. Angel Flight is made up of six
different regional organization, under the unbrella Angel Flight
America. Although there is a move to standardize everything as much as
possible, each region sets its own specific requirements. Some only
require a Private Pilot license, while others want an instrument rating
and a minimum number of hours (for example, Angel Flight South Central
wants 200 hours PIC, total, and proof of insurance).

It's not as arbitrary or random as it may sound. Each region has
weather that may be unique - for example, Angel Flight North East has
long required an instrument rating, because it is so scuzzy up there so
much of the time. Whereas South Central only recently required one, and
the minimum 200 hours, and that was almost entirely due to insurance
requirements. [Actually, they still don't require an instrument rating
- but if you are VFR only then they want you to schedule an IFR backup
pilot "just in case." And with our weather, 95% of the time, VFR works
just fine.]

Check them out. Go to the web site and find your own region. Find out
what THEY want. And talk with other Angel Flight pilots. It's a great
excuse to fly, and a great feeling to help folks - whether you fly
patients or blood runs or whatever you do to help out.

James Knox
Director
Angel Flight South Central


I can understand the Flight time requirements and the insurance requirements
but to pay a mandatory annual fee I do not understand?

As stated on the Angel Flight web site "The cost to join is only $50, and
the annual dues are $35" I can understand charging non pilots a membership
fee but pilots that provide a volunteer service should not be charged. I bet
if they did not charge pilots these fees they would get a lot more pilots
volunteering.

The way I see angel flight is like having to pay a member ship fee to
volunteer in a soup kitchen when your providing the soup. A company with
good intentions.

Remember to be a NPO only 1% of every dollar donated needs to go to the
organization.

NW_PILOT ) wrote:

Remember to be a NPO only 1% of every dollar donated needs to go
to the organization.

I can assure you that about 100% of every dollar you donate to
AngelFlight goes to AngelFlight to support its organization.

If you cannot cover the yearly tax-deductable donation of (fill in your
two-digit fee here) to AngelFlight, you sure could not afford the fuel
and time costs of flying the patients.

Fortunately, AF's pilot database contains thousands of pilots who
truly understand what the organization provides to the less fortunate
and a trivial two-digit fee doesn't prevent these pilots from
volunteering.

--
Peter

I fly for Angel Flight Northeast and they do not charge a yearly fee.
Even if they did charge $35, I'd still pay it.

Pete


"Steven Barnes" wrote in message
news
I just joined Angel Flight Central. Never was told of or have seen a
bill/fee. Better not.

Blanche wrote
As stated on the Angel Flight web site "The cost to join is only $50, and
the annual dues are $35" I can understand charging non pilots a membership
fee but pilots that provide a volunteer service should not be charged. I bet
if they did not charge pilots these fees they would get a lot more pilots
volunteering.

Betcha it wouldn't.

AFSC does not have a fee to join. If they did, I would not have joined.

But hey, no great loss, I've only flown about 40 missions.

Michael

Gary,

As a private pilot you can transport people for medical services, you
just cannot charge for it, nor can you split expenses.

There are a number of public benefit flying organizations for which
you could volunteer to fly, they are primarily for medical transport
or enviornmental/conservation research and support. For the transport
flights, the passengers cannot make any form of payment, and because
you are not flying the trip for a "common purpose" you cannot split
costs.

The FAA is supporting public benefit flying in its interpretations of
regulations, but you have to still have to be careful about compliance
and walk a very fine line and, for transportation flights, you
generally should not get reimbursed for any portion of your costs
because of the prohibition against flight for hire unless you operate
under Part 135. When you and friends go somewhere for lunch or a
vacation, it's a common purpose flight, and you can split the costs.
In general, and very briefly, when you are flying someone for medical
treatment, you are not considered to being making the flight to that
destination for a common purpose and thus you cannot split the costs.
If the passenger pays anything at all, even if it does not cover his
or her share of costs, it is considered compensation (and getting free
flying time where only the airplane costs are covered is considered
compensation in a long line of enforcement cases).

So, check with the Air Care Alliance website (the Air Care Alliance is
the umbrella group for public benefit flying organizations) for
information on public benefit flying organizations and see if there is
one that interests you. The organization can give you more detailed
answers on operations. The important thing is not to think of it as a
way to build flying time cheaply. You are truly donating your time
and airplane costs to help others. The organizations are excellent
(by and large) and perform a great deal of service to the public and
you get to actually do some good with your skills.

All the best,
Rick

"Gary G" wrote in message ...
Can a Private Pilot transport people for an organization or for "volunteer" purposes.
Examples: Red Cross, transporting people for medical services (cancer patients) etc.?

I've wondered about being able to volunteer services for organizations.

Would they be able to "split costs" at all?
Or is it for transport only?

Thanks!

Michael ) wrote:

AFSC does not have a fee to join. If they did, I would not have joined.

Since you mentioned that you would not have joined had there been a
fee, may I ask why?

Having flown 40 missions, you certainly know of the overhead involved
not only in coordinating missions, but also in administrating the
volunteer pilots (maintaining proof-of-insurance, etc).


--
Peter

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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Remember to be a NPO only 1% of every dollar donated needs to go to the
organization.

Is that true? Can you cite a source for that claim?

Thanks,
Gary