GPS Question

"Schmoe" wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
m...

whack

It was 2002-2003.

I will admit that my A&P school wasn't very good. I feel that I received
a
poor education dealing with aircraft, but, I was able to pass the O&P's
(off
campus)


I hope you are not working as an A&P. If you are, don't quit your real
job.



Speaking of, out of 25 in our class, I would trust maybe 5 people (including
me, of course) to actually work on an aircraft.

One guy got arrested for drug possession a little while into our 2 year
course, and by the time the 2 years were up, he was working for AA. Another
(suspected - heard him talk about it but never saw it) drug user went to
work for GE Online services.

There were several more that I suspect had a drug habits and several that I
know for a fact have alcohol problems.

Some were just plain ignorant. One guy, I had to show him how to tighten the
chuck on a drill. He had no clue!

In Aviation Science class (if I remember correctly), in the math portion,
the instructor would have each of the 25 students go to the board and do
basic adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. We each had to do 3 or
4 problems of each. This took the entire 2 hour class period.

In Assembly and Rigging, we flew paper airplanes the entire 2 hour class
period. Same instructor as above. Now don't get me wrong, I feel that paper
airplanes are probably a good aid in teaching aerodynamics, but for 2 hours,
and no explanation of aerodynamics???

Most of the instructors had no business teaching aviation. They may be good
in their fields, but they were not good *instructors*.

In basic electricity, I learned more in one day from a substitute
instructor, than I did the whole semester with our regular instructor. We
spent 1, yes, one day learning AC electricity. Same instructor also taught
welding. During the first class period, he informed us that he is not a
welder and knows nothing about welding. I saw him try to weld, and I believe
him! I would show him a welding project and ask what he thought. He would
say that it looked great and to turn it in. I would turn it in and would get
a 70 on it.

Sorry.... I'm on a roll now...

I'm sorry, but that place was a joke.


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"Chuck" wrote in message
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In A&P school several years ago, we were told that GPS was not certified
for
use in aircraft, although they do make a good *aid*.

Has the FAA changed it's stance on the use of GPS? Has GPS become
certified
to use in navigation in aircraft?


Thanks...

Chuck


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You know what absolutely blows me away, and I can't wait until it becomes
the new standard?
With WAAS technology, you can fly a GPS approach into an airport that has NO
localizer, NO glideslope, etc.
The GPS will guide you in within 1 meter horizontally and vertically.
I'm only VFR, so some of my terminology may be off, but you get the idea.
How cool is that?

Seems to me that airports could save money because they wouldn't need to
maintain any radio navigation equipment anymore...

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III

So as an alumni did you pass on this valuable feedback so that the
citizens of Tarrant County and the State of Texas get a good return on
their educational tax dollars??

Dave

Chuck wrote:
"Schmoe" wrote in message
. net...

"Chuck" wrote in message
. com...

whack

It was 2002-2003.

I will admit that my A&P school wasn't very good. I feel that I received

a

poor education dealing with aircraft, but, I was able to pass the O&P's
(off
campus)


I hope you are not working as an A&P. If you are, don't quit your real

job.



Speaking of, out of 25 in our class, I would trust maybe 5 people (including
me, of course) to actually work on an aircraft.

One guy got arrested for drug possession a little while into our 2 year
course, and by the time the 2 years were up, he was working for AA. Another
(suspected - heard him talk about it but never saw it) drug user went to
work for GE Online services.

There were several more that I suspect had a drug habits and several that I
know for a fact have alcohol problems.

Some were just plain ignorant. One guy, I had to show him how to tighten the
chuck on a drill. He had no clue!

In Aviation Science class (if I remember correctly), in the math portion,
the instructor would have each of the 25 students go to the board and do
basic adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. We each had to do 3 or
4 problems of each. This took the entire 2 hour class period.

In Assembly and Rigging, we flew paper airplanes the entire 2 hour class
period. Same instructor as above. Now don't get me wrong, I feel that paper
airplanes are probably a good aid in teaching aerodynamics, but for 2 hours,
and no explanation of aerodynamics???

Most of the instructors had no business teaching aviation. They may be good
in their fields, but they were not good *instructors*.

In basic electricity, I learned more in one day from a substitute
instructor, than I did the whole semester with our regular instructor. We
spent 1, yes, one day learning AC electricity. Same instructor also taught
welding. During the first class period, he informed us that he is not a
welder and knows nothing about welding. I saw him try to weld, and I believe
him! I would show him a welding project and ask what he thought. He would
say that it looked great and to turn it in. I would turn it in and would get
a 70 on it.

Sorry.... I'm on a roll now...

I'm sorry, but that place was a joke.


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You know what absolutely blows me away, and I can't wait until it becomes
the new standard?
With WAAS technology, you can fly a GPS approach into an airport that has NO
localizer, NO glideslope, etc.
The GPS will guide you in within 1 meter horizontally and vertically.
I'm only VFR, so some of my terminology may be off, but you get the idea.
How cool is that?

Seems to me that airports could save money because they wouldn't need to
maintain any radio navigation equipment anymore...

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III



I'm just a private pilot too but dont forget the other parts of the
"instrument approach" structure. The electronic glidepath is only part
of it.

You have to have good lighting as well... if you plan on doing GPS
approaches down to the equivalent of a Cat 1 ILS you will still need to
have the lighting systems and runway markings that allow you to
transition to a visual environment at say 200 feet off the deck when you
break out of the soup. That means you still will need over 1200 linear
feet worth of land that can support it. Don't expect 200 ft minimums to
a 40 x 3000 strip of asphalt with 50 ft obstacles 100 ft from the end
across the fence.

WAAS is good stuff.. and it will open a lot of airports up, not to
mention allow glideslopes to EVERY runway that can support it (without
regard to ILS frequency congestion). But it wont be a hard IFR solution
to every field.

Dave

Chuck wrote:

In A&P school several years ago, we were told that GPS was not certified for
use in aircraft, although they do make a good *aid*.

Has the FAA changed it's stance on the use of GPS? Has GPS become certified
to use in navigation in aircraft?

Yes.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Chuck wrote:

Hmmm... I guess that proves that my A&P school sucked!

Don't know about that, but they were definitely wrong about GPS.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"Dave S" wrote in message
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So as an alumni did you pass on this valuable feedback so that the
citizens of Tarrant County and the State of Texas get a good return on
their educational tax dollars??

Dave



No I haven't. If I write the school administration with my complaints, I
feel that it will fall on deaf ears. There is so much politics at the
school, it's pitiful...



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Chuck,

that I suspect had a drug habits and several that I
know for a fact have alcohol problems.


What's the difference?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

G.R.,

Has the FAA changed it's stance on the use of GPS? Has GPS become certified
to use in navigation in aircraft?

Yes.


Did it ever HAVE that stance?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Has the FAA changed it's stance on the use of GPS? Has GPS become
certified
to use in navigation in aircraft?

Yes.

Did it ever HAVE that stance?

Yes. There was a time when the use of GPS was not authorized as
a navigation source for IFR operations.

--
Bob Noel