DoD to remove FLIP's from public

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:46:28 -0700, "Dean Wilkinson"
wrote in
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I wonder if perhaps Jeppesen didn't lobby the government to have this action
taken to recapture their monopoly position as a flight data provider.

Recall, Boeing (Jeppesen's parent company) still has a lot of clout
with the Pentagon. Apparently all they have to do is offer a DOD
buyer a $250,000.00/year job in order to (almost) obtain a 23 billion
dollar contract.

So how come the alphabet groups aren't raising a big stink about this?

John

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:30:59 GMT, "Dennis" wrote:

I highly doubt this will actually take effect.. This WILL cause many
companies their business, and its a safe bet the number will be in the
thousands. Jepp is already known for raping people on prices, they want
$500 a year to include their data in your software per copy! Not to mention
it will cost lives because people simply will fly with outdated data due to
the high costs Jepp charges.

So Microsoft is eating $450/copy of their ~$50 Flight Simulator which
contains Jepp navdata? And they're then paying $500/year/copy of FS
sold thereafter?

LOL!! Flight Simmers crack me up sometimes..

Dennis

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:30:59 GMT, "Dennis" wrote:

I highly doubt this will actually take effect.. This WILL cause many
companies their business, and its a safe bet the number will be in the
thousands. Jepp is already known for raping people on prices, they want
$500 a year to include their data in your software per copy! Not to
mention
it will cost lives because people simply will fly with outdated data due
to
the high costs Jepp charges.

So Microsoft is eating $450/copy of their ~$50 Flight Simulator which
contains Jepp navdata? And they're then paying $500/year/copy of FS
sold thereafter?

What's funny? You're the one who made the statement that Jep charges
the software publisher 500/yr/copy recurring for each copy of the
database (apparently regardless of updates or whether the end user
continues to use the program) and I asked a logical question since MS
uses Jepp data and doesn't have a price point anywhere near $500/copy.

And the $800 or so /yr for updates I pay King for my 172's Jepp
derived KLN94 and MFD datacards isn't because I'm a simmer.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:59:02 GMT, "Dennis" wrote:

LOL!! Flight Simmers crack me up sometimes..

Dennis

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:30:59 GMT, "Dennis" wrote:

I highly doubt this will actually take effect.. This WILL cause many
companies their business, and its a safe bet the number will be in the
thousands. Jepp is already known for raping people on prices, they want
$500 a year to include their data in your software per copy! Not to
mention
it will cost lives because people simply will fly with outdated data due
to
the high costs Jepp charges.

So Microsoft is eating $450/copy of their ~$50 Flight Simulator which
contains Jepp navdata? And they're then paying $500/year/copy of FS
sold thereafter?

Using a "game" as a comparison to my statement was quite funny.. at least
when I thought you were trying to be..

So.. when you purchase Microsoft Flight Sim you get monthly data updates
from Jepp for free? and current, legal for flight data? Crap! I'll make a
trip to CompUSA tomorrow..

Yes, Jepp charges a software Vendor a flat fee of $500 which includes a year
of updates for each product they sell regardless if the user wants cycle
updates or not. That is why you don't see many vendors offering Jepp
outside of the big manufacturers that can afford to negotiate better deals
through volume sales.

Dennis

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
...
What's funny? You're the one who made the statement that Jep charges
the software publisher 500/yr/copy recurring for each copy of the
database (apparently regardless of updates or whether the end user
continues to use the program) and I asked a logical question since MS
uses Jepp data and doesn't have a price point anywhere near $500/copy.

And the $800 or so /yr for updates I pay King for my 172's Jepp
derived KLN94 and MFD datacards isn't because I'm a simmer.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:59:02 GMT, "Dennis" wrote:

LOL!! Flight Simmers crack me up sometimes..

Dennis

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:30:59 GMT, "Dennis" wrote:

I highly doubt this will actually take effect.. This WILL cause many
companies their business, and its a safe bet the number will be in the
thousands. Jepp is already known for raping people on prices, they want
$500 a year to include their data in your software per copy! Not to
mention
it will cost lives because people simply will fly with outdated data due
to
the high costs Jepp charges.

So Microsoft is eating $450/copy of their ~$50 Flight Simulator which
contains Jepp navdata? And they're then paying $500/year/copy of FS
sold thereafter?

Well, this is the response I received (I'm still waiting for the AOPA to
respond, the FAA and my congressmen)

First reply:

Thank you for the comment/inquiry regarding the proposal to remove NGA's
aeronautical products from public sale and distribution on 1 October 2005.

In answer to your specific question, the proposed action does not provide
access to any of NGA's aeronautical products/publications to public,
private, or commercial interests. Beginning on 1 October 2005, NGA's
digital and hardcopy aeronautical publications/products will only be
available to Department of Defense and governmental end users.

Please direct any follow-up comments or questions to the undersigned.
Thank
you.


Respectfully yours,

Joseph S. Jarvis
Aeronautical Program Officer
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Aeronautical Division, MS L-27
3838 Vogel Road
Arnold MO 63010-6238




Then Second when I asked how to become a contractor to the government:

We are not disputing your assertion that some U.S. government personnel
use
your services; however, NGA remains the official source of flight planning
and air navigation material for those users and they will continue to have
access to its aeronautical publications/products through the government
distribution system.
The intent of the action proposed in the Federal Register Notice is to
restrict NGA's aeronautical information, in all its forms, to government
use, regardless of whether it is domestic or foreign coverage. It will
not
be available in any form for dissemination, or as a foundation for second-
or third-party enhancements or exploitation.

The contractors that receive NGA's aeronautical data are those who require
the material to support, or facilitate, the services they are contracted
to
provide to the government. Examples would be R&D projects, charter/cargo
airlift operations, air traffic services, etc. I don't know the process
for
obtaining government contracts, but information should be available on the
Internet.

I hope this answers your questions concerning the proposal. Please feel
free to contact me any time.

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Jarvis
Aeronautical Program Officer
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Aeronautical Division, MS L-27
3838 Vogel Road
Arnold MO 63010-6238