Non Standard ATC Phraseology

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:36:07 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles."

Funnily enough, Chandler is the only towered field I've ever flown
from. (I have a recreational certificate and until September had to be
endorsed for each ATC field individually.) It drove me crazy because I
regularly had to deal with three frequencies, and the plane of course
had but two radios.

I'd be taking off and instructed to make a turn at 400 feet, much too
low by my way of thinking, and simultaneously to change freqs. I'd
scramble and scramble and finally breathlessly say: Six Two Echo is
with you! and behold! the same voice would come back. Why was I
changing freqs if I wasn't changing controllers? I found the radio
work more exhausting than the aerobatics!


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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:00:56 -0700, "In Soo"
wrote:

Hi pilots, I am new to the group and wanted to see if you guys hear
Non-standard ATC phraseology around places where you fly.
Our tower at Chander, AZ usually request us to report 2 mile base when
entering a traffic pattern. I thought the standard pattern entry was 45 to
downwind or final. If you have any non-standard phraseology or clearance,
can you please let the group know?

It is definitely common to have a tower controller ask you to join the
pattern on a base, and report X miles out. Very common at class Ds
without radar.

Nathan Young wrote:

It is definitely common to have a tower controller ask you to join the
pattern on a base, and report X miles out. Very common at class Ds
without radar.

For example, consider CDW. If they're using 22, and you're coming in from
the north...

If it is very quite, you'll get a straight-in.

If it is a little busy, you'll get a base.

If it is very busy, you'll be told to join the downwind.

- Andrew

"In Soo" writes:

If you have any non-standard phraseology or clearance,
can you please let the group know?

Which standard? ICAO standards are routinely ignored around here (USA).

--kyler

"In Soo" wrote in message news:WIand.17773$233.12391@okepread05...
Hi pilots, I am new to the group and wanted to see if you guys hear
Non-standard ATC phraseology around places where you fly.
Our tower at Chander, AZ usually request us to report 2 mile base when
entering a traffic pattern. I thought the standard pattern entry was 45 to
downwind or final. If you have any non-standard phraseology or clearance,
can you please let the group know?

I fly out of Chandler and get that request often (coming in from the
South to runway 4). The phraseology is fine. I believe you're
applying the recommended 45 degree entry at uncontrolled airports to a
towered field. At KCHD, they will ask you to join the pattern in
whatever way is most convenient for you and them. For example, when
runway 4 is in use, you will almost always get a straight-in approach
(with a request to report 2 miles out), if you initially report from
the southwest. This is quite standard procedure for a tower.

One thing to keep in mind, inbound traffic from the north or south
and asked to enter a downwind, they expect you to fly a 45 to the
downwind. I don't know if this is a standard procedure, but it is
often published in the "Tower Talk" section of the airport newsletter.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

John Galban wrote:



One thing to keep in mind, inbound traffic from the north or south
and asked to enter a downwind, they expect you to fly a 45 to the
downwind. I don't know if this is a standard procedure, but it is
often published in the "Tower Talk" section of the airport newsletter.

That would be a local thing. At the two places I have worked, one being
where UND lives, if I ask you to enter a right downwind you better not
have been flying outside the old ATA to suddenly come zipping in at
midfield. If I want you at mid field I will tell you to enter a
midfield downwind.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0700, Newps wrote:

If I want you at mid field I will tell you to enter a
midfield downwind.

And this is an instruction to cross the field at pattern altitude?

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Cub Driver wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0700, Newps wrote:


If I want you at mid field I will tell you to enter a
midfield downwind.


And this is an instruction to cross the field at pattern altitude?

No, enter the pattern by flying right at midfield then turn downwind.

This thread has nothing to do with phraseology.
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