taking off for the first time

"Freedom_In_Flying" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote

I'm wondering about how piloting is taught. Getting to the
point, why not use a long runway and have the student take off
just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and then
immediately touch down?

This guy is either a kid or a troll, retarded or all of the above.
He is in a few other groups (rec.models.rc.helicopter and air). He
is asking stupid questions like " aren't fast spinning propellers
blades dangerous"

That's a lie.

I didn't start that thread and I didn't say anything about
propellers being dangerous.

"plonk"

Grandstanding troll.





Richard

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"Jose" wrote in message
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This is a great exercise with more advanced primary students, but you would
be amazed at how difficult it actually is. When you're first learning to
land, we're working hard to get the airplane nice and stabalized on final.
This gives the student plenty of time to think about his/her control inputs,
to get used to controlling, and the chance to make a mistake or two.

Normally (at least with me in the right seat) the last part of landing that
comes together is the final 10 or 15 feet. When some kind of minor upset
occurs (as it almost invariably does when passing through the tree line, and
then entering ground effect), the student needs to learn to be quick enough
in his/her recovery. This is where your suggestion shines, as it forces the
student to rapidly transition from takeoff attitude to landing attitude
while handling the winds.

(Disclaimer - while this is a great lesson for a day where you otherwise
might not be flying due to weather, make sure the ceilings are high enough
that you could go around if you have to. I've seen people do these with
100-foot ceilings in non-gyro aircraft, and it makes me nervous.)

-Rob
"John Doe" wrote in message
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I have never piloted an aircraft. I do flight simulation from time to
time. Currently I am messing with radio controlled aircraft. There are
simulators for that also.

Having only simulation experience, but I'm wondering about how piloting
is taught. Getting to the point, why not use a long runway and have the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?

Again, inexperienced with the real thing, but isn't landing so
difficult/critical to warrant special treatment like that?

Trainer runways are not long enough?
The wear and tear would be too much?
That maneuver would be too difficult for a beginner to coordinate?

Genuinely curious. Thank you.

"Rob Montgomery" wrote:

use a long runway and have the student take off just enough for
the wheels to leave the ground and then immediately touch down?

...you would be amazed at how difficult it actually is.
...it forces the student to rapidly transition from takeoff
attitude to landing attitude while handling the winds.
(Disclaimer - while this is a great lesson for a day where you
otherwise might not be flying due to weather, make sure the
ceilings are high enough that you could go around if you have to.
I've seen people do these with 100-foot ceilings in non-gyro
aircraft, and it makes me nervous.)

Thanks a lot.
nrp's post I think suggests it's like a reverse touch and go.
Have fun.

The only thing I would add to the other's excellent replies; you should
begin the New Year by going down to your local airport and signing-up for an
introductory flight,,, you may find it 'hooks you in' like it did all of
us.....

There's nothing like that beautiful picture outside your windscreen or the
feel and sound of the mains as they gently (hopefully g) 'chirp' as they
touch the runway......

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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
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- Cecil Day Lewis -

"Cecil Chapman" wrote:

The only thing I would add to the other's excellent replies; you
should begin the New Year by going down to your local airport and
signing-up for an introductory flight,,, you may find it 'hooks you
in' like it did all of us.....

There's nothing like that beautiful picture outside your windscreen
or the feel and sound of the mains as they gently (hopefully g)
'chirp' as they touch the runway......

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?



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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -




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"John Doe" wrote in message
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote:

The only thing I would add to the other's excellent replies; you
should begin the New Year by going down to your local airport and
signing-up for an introductory flight,,, you may find it 'hooks you
in' like it did all of us.....

There's nothing like that beautiful picture outside your windscreen
or the feel and sound of the mains as they gently (hopefully g)
'chirp' as they touch the runway......

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.

I understand that limited Internet service is available via mobile
phones, but can you reference any post ever to Usenet while flying?

"John Doe" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.

I understand that limited Internet service is available via mobile
phones, but can you reference any post ever to Usenet while flying?

Not that someone has bragged of doing it, but using Google Newsgroups it's
certainly possible.

What's this obsession with posting from an aircraft? If that's your
mentality level, please stick with radio-controlleds.

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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

John Doe ) wrote:
: "Matt Barrow" wrote:
: "John Doe" wrote in message
:
: Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?
:
: That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.
:
: I understand that limited Internet service is available via mobile
: phones, but can you reference any post ever to Usenet while flying?

The right wifi gear and you should be able to post from over about
any town in the world.

And yes posting has been done from light airplanes. Search for
warflying which is realted to wardriving which is the hobby of
looking to see how many wifi access points you can find while
driving.

-tim
http://web.abnormal.com

John Doe wrote:

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

Sure, but the extension cord's pretty expensive.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.