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Darrel,

Thanks about the info and links. Very cool. I like your tall gear
feature with the larger prop. 150hp is nice for a 150/152. 180hp is
propbably too much. For now, do you have a still have a lot of right
rudder left with the bigger engine and larger prop? What is your
gross, 1700#? What's your T/O and Landing distance (over 50') at
gross?

Thanks,

Jizhong


On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:05:13 -0600, Darrel Toepfer
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I'm looking into a light bush plane type, kind like a PA-11. I'm
interested in one that can take two people and take off and clear 50'
in around 700', possible to be put on a float. I've looked at Kitfox,
Rans, CH701, Capella, Bushcaddy, and of course the J3 / PA-11.

The other bench mark airplane is a Cessna 150/152 which I have quite a
bit of time in. I really like the flight quality and overal quality. I
also flown a few hours on a J3. Kind of drafty and strange. It could
be that I just need to get used to it. Now the C150 will need almost
1400' at gross. But it has a somewhat higher gross. One question is
that could the C150 be made to take off in less than 1000'. In terms
of cost, you can get one nice Cessna 150/152 at almost half of the
cost of the homebuilts that I mentioned.

Here's a 160hp C152 Texas Taildragger:
http://www.asadeancomputing.com/tdc/.../337forms.html

1200 FPM Climb
155 MPH WOT @ 3K'
74" prop

Conversion was done by:
A C T AERIAL SERVICES DIVISION
6245 AERODRMOME WAY, COUNTY HANGER
AIRCRAFT CONVERSION TECHNOLOGIES, INC
GEORGETOWN, CA 95634

They have/had conversions to I0-360 (180hp)
http://www.asadeancomputing.com/tdc/...20Forms/26.jpg
What the new gross weight is, will require additional research...

This link references the ability to use floats:
http://www.asadeancomputing.com/tdc/...20Forms/23.jpg

Here's a link to other mods:
http://www.aeroprice.com/aerolibrary/cessnase_mods.htm

Dale,

It's nice to have a airplane up to the Supercub or even a C180/185.
But for a new comer, I'd like to stay with the less type like a 150HP
150/152 and the rest of those Kitfox class. I want to have something
that I can build with less than 1000hrs and less than $50k. And
definitely not plan built.

Jizhong
On 2 Apr 2004 05:39:57 GMT, Del Rawlins
wrote:

In
wrote:

I'm looking into a light bush plane type, kind like a PA-11. I'm
interested in one that can take two people and take off and clear 50'
in around 700', possible to be put on a float. I've looked at Kitfox,
Rans, CH701, Capella, Bushcaddy, and of course the J3 / PA-11.

If you are willing and able to build from plans, look into Bob Barrows'
new design, the Bearhawk Patrol. This is a 2 seat tandem bush plane
similar in construction to his 4 seat Bearhawk design. The patrol has a
gross weight of 2000 pounds, and an empty weight around 1000 (IIRC) with
a Lycoming O-360. It will take engines from 115-200hp and is designed
for outstanding short field performance.

I've got no relationship with Bob other than that of a satisfied
customer (building the 4 seat Bearhawk). He can be reached at:

R & B Aircraft 2079 Breckinridge Mill Rd Fincastle, VA 24090
(540) 473-
3661

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Jari,

Nice page. Your diary seems to end around the end of 2002. What's the
status now? How many hours do you think it'll eventually take you to
fly her.

Jizhong
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:13:04 GMT, "Jari Kaija"
wrote:

I'm looking into a light bush plane type, kind like a PA-11. I'm
interested in one that can take two people and take off and clear 50'
in around 700', possible to be put on a float. I've looked at Kitfox,
Rans, CH701, Capella, Bushcaddy, and of course the J3 / PA-11.

I'm looking into the flight quality, sturdiness and safety, building
and maintainance easiness, and factory and builder support. I
understand that they are all quite similar with the standard kits cost
just below $20k, and will probably cost a total of close to $50k when
ready to fly. Will take just over 1k hours for an average person.

Talking about CH701... you will rip the rest of your hairs off,
when trying to keep your drawings up to date :-)

-Jari Kaija
www.project-ch701.net

Shelly,

Very cool plane, and so is the one posted by Corky. But this is not
what I'm after at this moment. I'm looking for a beginner type.
1000hrs less, $50 less, easy built, easy care and easy fly.

Jizhong
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:26:14 -0500, Shelly
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Best numbers you can find!

http://www.bushplanes.com/background.html

wrote:

Darrel,

Thanks about the info and links. Very cool. I like your tall gear
feature with the larger prop. 150hp is nice for a 150/152. 180hp is
propbably too much. For now, do you have a still have a lot of right
rudder left with the bigger engine and larger prop? What is your
gross, 1700#? What's your T/O and Landing distance (over 50') at
gross?

I found the links by doing a simple internet search...

Our C152 has 110hp and tricycle gear...

With its cupped wingtips, it can definitely get off the ground in under
1000'...

In
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Thanks about the info and links. Very cool. I like your tall gear
feature with the larger prop. 150hp is nice for a 150/152.

Waste of an O-320.

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Dale,

Who's Dale?

It's nice to have a airplane up to the Supercub or even a C180/185.
But for a new comer, I'd like to stay with the less type like a 150HP
150/152 and the rest of those Kitfox class.

Well, the Patrol is designed to work well with smaller engines, not that
it matters if you want to build from a kit. If you are interested in a
certified plane, a 150/152 would be my absolute last choice in a 150hp
plane. They are cramped and don't have a lot of useful load with the
heavier engine. In a certified plane I would want a Citabria, which has
a more comfortable cockpit than the Cub which you didn't like, and is
faster at the cost of a small amount of STOL performance.

I want to have something
that I can build with less than 1000hrs and less than $50k. And
definitely not plan built.

Understood. Be aware that you may spend more time that that even if you
build from a kit, since build times vary a LOT depending on experience.
I don't know what their prices are like these days, but consider the
Murphy Rebel.

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Shelly,

Very cool plane, and so is the one posted by Corky. But this is not
what I'm after at this moment. I'm looking for a beginner type.
1000hrs less, $50 less, easy built, easy care and easy fly.

Try he
http://www.greenlandings.com
The SkyRanger meets your specs and is quite affordable and has a quick
build time and has a decent cabin width...

Del Rawlins wrote...

Thanks about the info and links. Very cool. I like your tall gear
feature with the larger prop. 150hp is nice for a 150/152.

Waste of an O-320.

I dunno, looong ago I found it kind of nice to be able to get
climb performance I didn't have to measure with a calendar.

Dave 'time in type' Hyde

In k.net nauga wrote:
Del Rawlins wrote...

Thanks about the info and links. Very cool. I like your tall gear
feature with the larger prop. 150hp is nice for a 150/152.

Waste of an O-320.

I dunno, looong ago I found it kind of nice to be able to get
climb performance I didn't have to measure with a calendar.

Dave 'time in type' Hyde


True, but when you bought an expensive Lycoming engine you didn't put it
in a 150/152.

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