Runway Lighting

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:57:30 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
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"Bud Turner" wrote in message
om...
and their in the AIM ch 2.
they're not their....

Well, if they're not their, where are they?


They're there. :-)

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:58:03 GMT, "Steven Barnes"
wrote:

Well then, what *is* the correct answer?

The "rabbit" is an ALSF - Approach Light System Flashing (or Approach
Light Sequenced Flashing, depending upon who you're asking) "which
appear to the pilot as a ball of light traveling towards the runway at
high speed (twice a second)".

The "RAIL" to which you referred is actually a "REIL"; Runway End
Identifier Lights which is a system that "consists of a pair of
synchronized flashing lights located laterally on each side of the
runway threshold".

(References AIM sections 2-1-1 and 2-1-3)

-Jack Davis
B737

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if your instructor does not know the answer... or does not know where to
tell you to go look it up..

what else does he not know... maybe time to find another instructor?

BT

"Slick" wrote in message ...
What is that thing that the beginning of the active runway that has
flashing
lights that flash sequentially toward the runway. I think it was about 4
or
5 lights. My instructor calls it a rabbit, but I can't find it anywhere in
the AIM. Whatever it is, is it listed in the AFD upon whether or not the
airport has it?



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I thought the REIL was the 2 white blinking lights on each side of the
runway threshold.
The "rabbit" is the RAIL or strobe-like lights leading into MALSR and SSALR
type approach lights (according to the legend on page 4 of the AF/D). To be
honest I've always had trouble remembering the subtle differences of the
different approach lights (ALSF, SALSF, MALSR, etc).
Page 9 does say ALSF1 and 2 have "Sequenced Flashing Lights". Are these the
same thing as the RAIL/rabbit? My AIM is in the bedroom, and if I wake up
the wife I'm toast... :-)


"Jack Davis" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:58:03 GMT, "Steven Barnes"
wrote:

Well then, what *is* the correct answer?

The "rabbit" is an ALSF - Approach Light System Flashing (or Approach
Light Sequenced Flashing, depending upon who you're asking) "which
appear to the pilot as a ball of light traveling towards the runway at
high speed (twice a second)".

The "RAIL" to which you referred is actually a "REIL"; Runway End
Identifier Lights which is a system that "consists of a pair of
synchronized flashing lights located laterally on each side of the
runway threshold".

(References AIM sections 2-1-1 and 2-1-3)

-Jack Davis
B737

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Recently, Matt Barrow posted:

"Bud Turner" wrote in message
m...
and their in the AIM ch 2.
they're not their....

Well, if they're not their, where are they?

Don't you mean, "whose" are they? ;-)

Neil

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:49:41 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote:

if your instructor does not know the answer... or does not know where to
tell you to go look it up..

what else does he not know... maybe time to find another instructor?

Oh don't start that again. The guy just asked a simple question about
lighting that deals with instrument approaches. He did not say that
he is working on his instrument ticket. If I had a private pilot
student asking me questions like that, I dont know if I would start
getting technical on him either and start explaining to him how they
work, why they are there, etc.... That would be like going into what
all the lines are on the runway for a precision approach are used for,
he just doesnt need to know the technical stuff like that at this
point. Now if he is working on his instrument rating, then that is
different story. But get the whole story first before making the OP
fell like he has an inadequate instructor.


Scott D

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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Have you ever been to the dog races?

Or watched a Bugs Bunny cartoon?

"Have you ever been to the dog races?"

Which takes us to trivia time...

At dog races, they use a mechanical rabbit. The mechanical rabbit was
invented in Chicago by an attorney, whose name was O'Hare.

O'Hare was in someway connected to the Capone mob. He had a son, and didn't
want his misdeeds to come down upon his son, so he to some extent "ratted
out" the Capone organization.

O'Hare's son, Butch, managed to escape the shame that might have come to him
from his father's association with Capone.

Butch O'Hare became a pilot in the US Navy in WWII, became a hero, and was
killed in action.

Somewhere along the way you may have seen the airport identifier: ORD. It
stands for Orchard Field, which was the original name of the airport that
was later renamed in honor of an heroic Navy pilot.

Chicago's O'Hare airport - ORD





"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:21:30 -0500, "Toks Desalu"
wrote in
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I still wonders why pilots call that a "rabbit." It doesn't even look
like
a rabbit.

Have you ever been to the dog races?

Here's some more trivia.....
Those rabbit lights sequence at a speed of over 4000mph
I read it one of the flying magazines....either Flying or AOPA..can't recall
which




"Bill Denton" wrote in message
...

"Have you ever been to the dog races?"

Which takes us to trivia time...

At dog races, they use a mechanical rabbit. The mechanical rabbit was
invented in Chicago by an attorney, whose name was O'Hare.

O'Hare was in someway connected to the Capone mob. He had a son, and
didn't
want his misdeeds to come down upon his son, so he to some extent "ratted
out" the Capone organization.

O'Hare's son, Butch, managed to escape the shame that might have come to
him
from his father's association with Capone.

Butch O'Hare became a pilot in the US Navy in WWII, became a hero, and was
killed in action.

Somewhere along the way you may have seen the airport identifier: ORD. It
stands for Orchard Field, which was the original name of the airport that
was later renamed in honor of an heroic Navy pilot.

Chicago's O'Hare airport - ORD





"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:21:30 -0500, "Toks Desalu"
wrote in
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I still wonders why pilots call that a "rabbit." It doesn't even look
like
a rabbit.

Have you ever been to the dog races?

So, why didn't they make the rabbit thing bigger, and call it a "hare"?

Sorry,

-Rob

"Bill Denton" wrote in message
...

"Have you ever been to the dog races?"

Which takes us to trivia time...

At dog races, they use a mechanical rabbit. The mechanical rabbit was
invented in Chicago by an attorney, whose name was O'Hare.

O'Hare was in someway connected to the Capone mob. He had a son, and
didn't
want his misdeeds to come down upon his son, so he to some extent "ratted
out" the Capone organization.

O'Hare's son, Butch, managed to escape the shame that might have come to
him
from his father's association with Capone.

Butch O'Hare became a pilot in the US Navy in WWII, became a hero, and was
killed in action.

Somewhere along the way you may have seen the airport identifier: ORD. It
stands for Orchard Field, which was the original name of the airport that
was later renamed in honor of an heroic Navy pilot.

Chicago's O'Hare airport - ORD





"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:21:30 -0500, "Toks Desalu"
wrote in
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I still wonders why pilots call that a "rabbit." It doesn't even look
like
a rabbit.

Have you ever been to the dog races?