Operations near border

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" writes:

and forced to land someplace not of your own choosing!

Such as California?

Probably Texas.

Texas wouldn't have you, but the fruits and nuts in California...


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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:14:28 -0800, "Slip'er" wrote:

Where do the FARs address operations near the border? I do not plan to
cross the border, but I vaguely remember a note on a chart that said to
contact FSS if operating in the vicinity of the border. I'd like to know
the exact regulatory reference...

Thanks,
Carl


Which border?

I live on the US-Canadian border and don't do anything in particular unless
I will be landing in Canada. Other borders might not be so lax.

However, shortly after 9-11, I was doing a flight for some friends so they
could do some aerial photography. We were right on the border and, at the
altitude, not able to communicate with ATC. I did ask FSS to notify them
prior to this operation, but it was no big deal.

I've not done so since, though.

And one of our local airport approaches is partially in Canadian airspace.

I would imagine that the rules are very different operating along the
southern US border.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

You are required to be on an open flight plan if you cross the border
between US and Canada

On 11 Feb 2005 07:29:27 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

You are required to be on an open flight plan if you cross the border
between US and Canada

That's true. And I do that if I'm going someplace. But this particular
time was just a local flight along the border, and there's no radio contact
with ATC or FSS at the altitudes I was using; so I called and coordinated
all that with the FSS and they coordinated with ATC.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

No regulatory requirement. There is no requirement to do anything just
because you are flying "near" the border, even if its an ADIZ. Those of
us in California fly "near" the ADIZ with Mexico on a regular bases.
When you are on downwind for Brown field you are less than a mile from
Tijuana airport (actually from the air they look like two runways for
the same airport). I have heard of pilot who flew their downwind a bit
too far out and crossed the border.

I'm actually going back down to Mexico the weekend after next. Crossing
into Mexico is very simple and easy. Almost as easy as crossing into
Canada.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" writes:

No regulatory requirement. There is no requirement to do anything just
because you are flying "near" the border, even if its an ADIZ. Those of
us in California fly "near" the ADIZ with Mexico on a regular bases.
When you are on downwind for Brown field you are less than a mile from
Tijuana airport (actually from the air they look like two runways for
the same airport). I have heard of pilot who flew their downwind a bit
too far out and crossed the border.

Were there any consequences?

With the fields as clsoe as you say it seems surprising that you've only heard
of one incident. Do they do flight training at Brown?

Dan.

Yep, lots of flight training. I've only heard of one, but I live in
NorCal so I only hear what I see on the news. They showed an Army helo
follow the guy home. When approaced the pilot said he didn't realize he
entered Mexican airspace.

Actually, to be 100% correct, no one, no where cares if you enter
Mexican airspace. They want you to file a filght plan but there is no
procedure in place for the Mexicans to track, watch, or anything flight
plans. When you get trouble is when you cross back into the U.S.
without proper notice!!

-Robert

BTW: Here is the perm NOTAM for brown field...

- CAUTION: ARPT BDRY ONE MILE NORTH FM MEXICAN/USA INTL BORDER.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BTW: Here is the perm NOTAM for brown field...

- CAUTION: ARPT BDRY ONE MILE NORTH FM MEXICAN/USA INTL BORDER.

Check out the GPS RWY 4 approach into El Paso, TX, KELP. The IAF and FAF
are in Mexico. The LOC/DME RWY 4 is the same way.

Allen

"Allen" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ps.com...
BTW: Here is the perm NOTAM for brown field...

- CAUTION: ARPT BDRY ONE MILE NORTH FM MEXICAN/USA INTL BORDER.

Check out the GPS RWY 4 approach into El Paso, TX, KELP. The IAF and FAF
are in Mexico. The LOC/DME RWY 4 is the same way.


Same thing for Niagara Falls RNAV(GPS) approach for 10L. The IAF's and the
FAF are in Canada.


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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO