the Pinckneyville Gathering of the ILK

On 24 May 2004 13:42:35 -0700,
(Snowbird) wrote:

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
pilot or some such.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
personal situation.

I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.

Cheers,
Sydney

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

Dave S wrote:

Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.

Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
from me.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.

Dave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde

"John Ammeter" wrote

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when telling
someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.

It was well deserving a smart ass response.

If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" g
--
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In Morgans wrote:

"John Ammeter" wrote

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when
telling someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.

It was well deserving a smart ass response.

If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" g

Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.

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Del Rawlins wrote:

Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.

Oh come on folks..... Look at the calender.

What week is it....??????

Pinckneyville weekend...... Does that not ring a bell.

Here you have Mr Ammeter the good loyal friend of YOU KNOW WHO.

And in a childish, petty, snotty manner, as usual, some of the
close buddies of YOU KNOW WHO just can't imagine that a group
of people could enjoy the camaraderie of the Pinckneyville weekend
without their presence.

So is it not expected that just a few days after the Pinckneyville
flyin that someone close to YOU KNOW WHO would slime out of the
woodwork and take a swipe at YOU KNOW WHO's favourite whipping girl.

It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????

Bernie the Bunion wrote:
Del Rawlins wrote:



Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.


Oh come on folks..... Look at the calender.

What week is it....??????

Pinckneyville weekend...... Does that not ring a bell.

Here you have Mr Ammeter the good loyal friend of YOU KNOW WHO.

And in a childish, petty, snotty manner, as usual, some of the
close buddies of YOU KNOW WHO just can't imagine that a group
of people could enjoy the camaraderie of the Pinckneyville weekend
without their presence.

So is it not expected that just a few days after the Pinckneyville
flyin that someone close to YOU KNOW WHO would slime out of the
woodwork and take a swipe at YOU KNOW WHO's favourite whipping girl.

It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????



Oh and you do????????? LOL

Bernie the Bunion wrote:

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????


Jerry Springer wrote:

Oh and you do????????? LOL

No Jerry.... I can't remember.

In fact I can't remember the last time that you wrote
a flying or building story.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind refreshing my memory.

By the way are you supporting Mr. Ammeter's snotty comments
towards one of your fellow pilots and newsgroup contributors
or are you just taking another swipe at me.

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:44:19 GMT, "nauga" wrote:

ave S wrote:
:
: Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?
:
:The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
:maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
:it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
:area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
:Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
:attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
:look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
:It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
:the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
:I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
:answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
:same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
:help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
:help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.
:
:Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
:from me.

You coulda asked for PJY to be part of your test area when you got the
sign off. It's worked, depending on the DAR.

: I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!
:
:Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.
:
ave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde

Remember, the zip code you want is 92660-92663

In Bernie the Bunion wrote:

It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????

Whatever the real story is with Sydney/Youknowwho/John, you are totally
off base with your opinion of John. Unlike you, Mr. Ammeter is a real
person who possesses the strength of character to post using his own
name. He has built and flown his own homebuilt aircraft (again, unlike
you) and if you haven't seen him post useful information then you simply
haven't been paying attention. Furthermore, while I didn't agree with
his comment in this instance, I certainly don't need your help in
responding to him and I resent the tag team debating tactics which you
are trying to include me in. In other words, butt out.

I don't know what is the best John is capable of but I suspect it is
considerably better than anything you might have done. I do know that
when I was able to get out of Alaska for a while a few years ago, John
took the time to visit me at the flight school I was attending and spent
a good part of his day just talking with me about homebuilts and flying
in general. In the grand scheme of things that may not matter much but
for a young guy from rural Alaska surrounded by strange sights and way
more people than should ever live in close proximity to one another,
John provided a welcome break, some good building and flying advice, and
a chance to talk in real life with another homebuilder (in the town
where I am from, there were maybe 1-2 others, no EAA, and my computer
was my only real link to other like-minded individuals).

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On 25 May 2004 14:43:52 GMT, Del Rawlins
wrote:

In Bernie the Bunion wrote:

It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????

Whatever the real story is with Sydney/Youknowwho/John, you are totally
off base with your opinion of John. Unlike you, Mr. Ammeter is a real
person who possesses the strength of character to post using his own
name. He has built and flown his own homebuilt aircraft (again, unlike
you) and if you haven't seen him post useful information then you simply
haven't been paying attention. Furthermore, while I didn't agree with
his comment in this instance, I certainly don't need your help in
responding to him and I resent the tag team debating tactics which you
are trying to include me in. In other words, butt out.

I don't know what is the best John is capable of but I suspect it is
considerably better than anything you might have done. I do know that
when I was able to get out of Alaska for a while a few years ago, John
took the time to visit me at the flight school I was attending and spent
a good part of his day just talking with me about homebuilts and flying
in general. In the grand scheme of things that may not matter much but
for a young guy from rural Alaska surrounded by strange sights and way
more people than should ever live in close proximity to one another,
John provided a welcome break, some good building and flying advice, and
a chance to talk in real life with another homebuilder (in the town
where I am from, there were maybe 1-2 others, no EAA, and my computer
was my only real link to other like-minded individuals).

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Aw shucks, Del, you're gonna give me a swelled head...
Bunions comments don't bother me at all. I simply consider
the source and ignore him.

How is the progress on your Bearhawk??

It's got to be much harder building from plans than from a
kit like I did. You certainly did pick an airplane suitable
for Alaskan flying, though...

john